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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: pengdonglin <dolinux.peng@gmail.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 linux-trace-kernel <linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,  Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	 Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	 pengdonglin <pengdonglin@xiaomi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1] btf: Sort BTF types by name and kind to optimize btf_find_by_name_kind lookup
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:22:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQLC22-RQmjH3F+m3bQKcbEH_i_ukRULnu_dWvtN+2=E-Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzaZ=UC9Hx_8gUPmJm-TuYOouK7M9i=5nTxA_3+=H5nEiQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 5:15 PM Andrii Nakryiko
<andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 4:53 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 4:40 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> > <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a few observations (if we decide to do the sorting of BTF by name
> > > in the kernel):
> >
> > iirc we discussed it in the past and decided to do sorting in pahole
> > and let the kernel verify whether it's sorted or not.
> > Then no extra memory is needed.
> > Or was that idea discarded for some reason?
>
> Don't really remember at this point, tbh. Pre-sorting should work
> (though I'd argue that then we should only sort by name to make this
> sorting universally useful, doing linear search over kinds is fast,
> IMO). Pre-sorting won't work for program BTFs, don't know how
> important that is. This indexing on demand approach would be
> universal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
> Overall, paying 300KB for sorted index for vmlinux BTF for cases where
> we repeatedly need this seems ok to me, tbh.

If pahole sorting works I don't see why consuming even 300k is ok.
kallsyms are sorted during the build too.

In the other thread we discuss adding LOCSEC for ~6M. That thing should
be pahole-sorted too.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-14  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-13 13:15 [RFC PATCH v1] btf: Sort BTF types by name and kind to optimize btf_find_by_name_kind lookup pengdonglin
2025-10-13 23:40 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-10-13 23:53   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-14  0:15     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-10-14  0:22       ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-10-14  1:54         ` Donglin Peng
2025-10-14  2:48           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-14  4:53             ` Donglin Peng
2025-10-14  8:05               ` Alan Maguire
2025-10-15  1:12                 ` Donglin Peng
2025-10-15  1:54               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-15  3:43                 ` Donglin Peng
2025-10-15  9:15                   ` Alan Maguire
2025-10-14  1:54   ` Donglin Peng

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