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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Leon Hwang <hffilwlqm@gmail.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Cc: Menglong Dong <menglong.dong@linux.dev>,
	Menglong Dong <menglong8.dong@gmail.com>,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	 LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 linux-trace-kernel <linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	jiang.biao@linux.dev
Subject: bpf_errno. Was: [PATCH RFC bpf-next 1/3] bpf: report probe fault to BPF stderr
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 09:27:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAADnVQLxpUmjbsHeNizRMDkY1a4_gLD0VBFWS8QMYHzpYBs4EQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f28937c-121a-4ea8-b66a-9da3be8bccad@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 7:41 AM Leon Hwang <hffilwlqm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2025/10/7 14:14, Menglong Dong wrote:
> > On 2025/10/2 10:03, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 11:12 PM Menglong Dong <menglong8.dong@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Introduce the function bpf_prog_report_probe_violation(), which is used
> >>> to report the memory probe fault to the user by the BPF stderr.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Menglong Dong <menglong.dong@linux.dev>
>
> [...]
>
> >>
> >> Interesting idea, but the above message is not helpful.
> >> Users cannot decipher a fault_ip within a bpf prog.
> >> It's just a random number.
> >
> > Yeah, I have noticed this too. What useful is the
> > bpf_stream_dump_stack(), which will print the code
> > line that trigger the fault.
> >
> >> But stepping back... just faults are common in tracing.
> >> If we start printing them we will just fill the stream to the max,
> >> but users won't know that the message is there, since no one
> >
> > You are right, we definitely can't output this message
> > to STDERR directly. We can add an extra flag for it, as you
> > said below.
> >
> > Or, maybe we can introduce a enum stream_type, and
> > the users can subscribe what kind of messages they
> > want to receive.
> >
> >> expects it. arena and lock errors are rare and arena faults
> >> were specifically requested by folks who develop progs that use arena.
> >> This one is different. These faults have been around for a long time
> >> and I don't recall people asking for more verbosity.
> >> We can add them with an extra flag specified at prog load time,
> >> but even then. Doesn't feel that useful.
> >
> > Generally speaking, users can do invalid checking before
> > they do the memory reading, such as NULL checking. And
> > the pointer in function arguments that we hook is initialized
> > in most case. So the fault is someting that can be prevented.
> >
> > I have a BPF tools which is writed for 4.X kernel and kprobe
> > based BPF is used. Now I'm planing to migrate it to 6.X kernel
> > and replace bpf_probe_read_kernel() with bpf_core_cast() to
> > obtain better performance. Then I find that I can't check if the
> > memory reading is success, which can lead to potential risk.
> > So my tool will be happy to get such fault event :)
> >
> > Leon suggested to add a global errno for each BPF programs,
> > and I haven't dig deeply on this idea yet.
> >
>
> Yeah, as we discussed, a global errno would be a much more lightweight
> approach for handling such faults.
>
> The idea would look like this:
>
> DEFINE_PER_CPU(int, bpf_errno);
>
> __bpf_kfunc void bpf_errno_clear(void);
> __bpf_kfunc void bpf_errno_set(int errno);
> __bpf_kfunc int bpf_errno_get(void);
>
> When a fault occurs, the kernel can simply call
> 'bpf_errno_set(-EFAULT);'.
>
> If users want to detect whether a fault happened, they can do:
>
> bpf_errno_clear();
> header = READ_ONCE(skb->network_header);
> if (header == 0 && bpf_errno_get() == -EFAULT)
>         /* handle fault */;
>
> This way, users can identify faults immediately and handle them gracefully.
>
> Furthermore, these kfuncs can be inlined by the verifier, so there would
> be no runtime function call overhead.

Interesting idea, but errno as-is doesn't quite fit,
since we only have 2 (or 3 ?) cases without explicit error return:
probe_read_kernel above, arena read, arena write.
I guess we can add may_goto to this set as well.
But in all these cases we'll struggle to find an appropriate errno code,
so it probably should be a custom enum and not called "errno".

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-08 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-27  6:12 [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/3] bpf: report probe fault to BPF stderr Menglong Dong
2025-09-27  6:12 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 1/3] " Menglong Dong
2025-10-02  2:03   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-07  6:14     ` Menglong Dong
2025-10-08 14:40       ` Leon Hwang
2025-10-08 16:27         ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2025-10-08 17:08           ` bpf_errno. Was: " Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-10-08 19:34             ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-10-08 20:08               ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-10-08 20:30                 ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-10-08 20:59                   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2025-10-09 14:29                 ` Leon Hwang
2025-10-09 15:15                   ` Leon Hwang
2025-10-10 12:05                 ` Menglong Dong
2025-10-10 15:10                   ` Menglong Dong
2025-10-10 18:55                   ` Eduard Zingerman
2025-10-11  1:23                     ` Menglong Dong
2025-10-09 14:15           ` Leon Hwang
2025-10-09 14:45             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-10 14:22               ` Leon Hwang
2025-09-27  6:12 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 2/3] x86,bpf: use bpf_prog_report_probe_violation for x86 Menglong Dong
2025-09-27  6:12 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 3/3] selftests/bpf: add testcase for probe read fault Menglong Dong

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