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From: Menglong Dong <menglong8.dong@gmail.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/4] x86/ibt: factor out cfi and fineibt offset
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADxym3YMeAPpc+ozM2E7yW1qpB_arKJiDyAcRs8pW8sRqJZOZw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQJ0_+Hij=kf9eVPX_ZND=2=uDHaYPWvv1x-WmR5sZRSmA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 11:39 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 6:59 PM Menglong Dong <menglong8.dong@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure if it works. However, indirect call is also used
> > in function graph, so we still have better performance. Isn't it?
> >
> > Let me have a look at the code of the function graph first :/
>
> Menglong,
>
> Function graph infra isn't going to help.
> "call foo" isn't a problem either.
>
> But we have to step back.
> per-function metadata is an optimization and feels like
> we're doing a premature optimization here without collecting
> performance numbers first.
>
> Let's implement multi-fentry with generic get_metadata_by_ip() first.
> get_metadata_by_ip() will be a hashtable in such a case and
> then we can compare its performance when it's implemented as
> a direct lookup from ip-4 (this patch) vs hash table
> (that does 'ip' to 'metadata' lookup).

Hi, Alexei

You are right, I should do such a performance comparison.

>
> If/when we decide to do this per-function metadata we can also
> punt to generic hashtable for cfi, IBT, FineIBT, etc configs.
> When mitigations are enabled the performance suffers anyway,
> so hashtable lookup vs direct ip-4 lookup won't make much difference.
> So we can enable per-function metadata only on non-mitigation configs
> when FUNCTION_ALIGNMENT=16.
> There will be some number of bytes available before every function
> and if we can tell gcc/llvm to leave at least 5 bytes there
> the growth of vmlinux .text will be within a noise.

Sounds great! It's so different to make the per-function metadata
work in all the cases. Especially, we can't implement it in arm64
if CFI_CLANG is enabled. And the fallbacking to the hash table makes
it much easier in these cases.

>
> So let's figure out the design of multi-fenty first with a hashtable
> for metadata and decide next steps afterwards.

Ok, I'll develop a version for fentry multi-link with both hashtable
and function metadata, and do some performance testing. Thank
you for your advice :/

Thanks!
Menglong Dong

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-06  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-03 13:28 [PATCH v4 0/4] per-function storage support Menglong Dong
2025-03-03 13:28 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] x86/ibt: factor out cfi and fineibt offset Menglong Dong
2025-03-03 16:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04  1:10     ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-04  5:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04  6:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04  7:47           ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-04  8:41             ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-04  9:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-04 14:52               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-05  1:19                 ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-05  8:29                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-05  8:49                     ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-05 15:03                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-03-06  2:58                     ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-06  3:39                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-03-06  8:50                         ` Menglong Dong [this message]
2025-03-23  3:51                           ` Menglong Dong
2025-03-03 13:28 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] add per-function metadata storage support Menglong Dong
2025-03-03 13:28 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] x86: implement per-function metadata storage for x86 Menglong Dong
2025-03-03 13:28 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] arm64: implement per-function metadata storage for arm64 Menglong Dong
2025-03-03 21:40   ` Sami Tolvanen
2025-03-04  1:21     ` Menglong Dong

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