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From: "Alexei Starovoitov" <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: "Gabriele Monaco" <gmonaco@redhat.com>,
	"Nam Cao" <namcao@linutronix.de>,
	"LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-trace-kernel" <linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"bpf" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, "Wen Yang" <wen.yang@linux.dev>,
	"Tobias Schaffner" <tobias.schaffner@siemens.com>,
	"Viktor Malik" <vmalik@redhat.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/20] rv: Add support for BPF monitors
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2026 16:34:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DL6XBKITK7ZT.3RXK9YGGUYZZE@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260904132421.111c0279@gandalf.local.home>

On Fri Sep 4, 2026 at 10:24 AM PDT, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Sep 2026 12:31:08 -0400
> Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>
>> In the beginning, Daniel Bristot looked into doing this with BPF and found
>> issues with it. I do not recall what they were and unfortunately Daniel is
>> no longer around to explain it. Maybe Gabriele knows what they were.
>
> IIRC, Daniel even told me there was a competing effort within Red Hat to
> implement the same functionality using only BPF. That effort never
> materialized and everything went toward the RV code Daniel was working on.

bpf in 2022 was surely less capable then it is today.
It took us 2 years of bpf core development to statisfy sched-ext demands
and we're still adding new features for sched-ext needs.
If you're trully willing to remove 90% of kernel/trace/rv/ and refactor
it into tiny shim where all of the core pieces are bpf driven we can
certainly work together (like we did with sched-ext) and add whatever
is missing on bpf side. Then all existing monitors will become bpf programs.
But adding bpf as another 'monitor', sorry but hard NO.
If hardcoded monitors was a mistake then admit it and fix it by deleting it,
if it's not a mistake then keep adding hardcoded monitors.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-04 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-31  9:05 [RFC PATCH 00/20] rv: Add support for BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 01/20] sched: Add task enqueue/dequeue trace points Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:32   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 02/20] tools/rv: Skip empty pid error in selftest if command failed Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 03/20] rv: Refactor da_trace() functions to get strings internally Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/20] rv: Use static arrays for rv_monitor name and description Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/20] rv: Add in-kernel support for BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/20] rv: Add rv_get_monitor_by_name() Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:24   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/20] rv: Add reactors support to BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 08/20] rv: Cast result of model_get_*_name() Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 09/20] rv: Handle unregistered monitors safely in tracefs Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:24   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 10/20] tools/build: Add a feature test for bpftool-btf Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 11/20] tools/rv: Move argument parsing from in_kernel to utils Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 12/20] tools/rv: Export functionality for in_kernel monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 13/20] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor loading and tracing Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 14/20] tools/rv: Implement BPF monitor registration logic Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:38   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 15/20] tools/rv: Copy stripped bpf_atomic.h from libarena Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:38   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 16/20] tools/rv: Add BPF monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 17/20] tools/rv: Define CONFIG_X86_64 statically for " Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 18/20] verification/rvgen: Add support " Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:41   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 19/20] tools/rv: Add selftest for rv bpf Gabriele Monaco
2026-08-31  9:44   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-31  9:05 ` [RFC PATCH 20/20] verification/rvgen: Add selftest for rvgen -b Gabriele Monaco
2026-09-01 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] rv: Add support for BPF monitors Nam Cao
2026-09-02  6:52   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-09-02  7:46     ` Nam Cao
2026-09-03  1:57     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-03  7:21       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-09-03 13:02         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04  3:30           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-04 11:43             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04 16:16               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-04 16:31                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04 17:24                   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04 23:34                     ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2026-09-04 23:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04 23:48                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-05  0:17                           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-05  0:22                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-09-04 11:23       ` Tomas Glozar

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