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From: Wander Lairson Costa <wander@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	 Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	 Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 "open list:SCHEDULER" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:TRACING" <linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 acme@kernel.org, williams@redhat.com, gmonaco@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] tracing/preemptirq: Optimize preempt_disable/enable() tracepoint overhead
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2026 14:19:15 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <abLzS0T_wEt_SkL6@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260311193503.GS606826@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 08:35:03PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2026 at 09:50:15AM -0300, Wander Lairson Costa wrote:
> 
> > +extern void __trace_preempt_on(void);
> > +extern void __trace_preempt_off(void);
> > +
> > +DECLARE_TRACEPOINT(preempt_enable);
> > +DECLARE_TRACEPOINT(preempt_disable);
> > +
> > +#define __preempt_trace_enabled(type, val) \
> > +	(tracepoint_enabled(preempt_##type) && preempt_count() == (val))
> > +
> > +static __always_inline void preempt_count_add(int val)
> > +{
> > +	__preempt_count_add(val);
> > +
> > +	if (__preempt_trace_enabled(disable, val))
> > +		__trace_preempt_off();
> > +}
> > +
> > +static __always_inline void preempt_count_sub(int val)
> > +{
> > +	if (__preempt_trace_enabled(enable, val))
> > +		__trace_preempt_on();
> > +
> > +	__preempt_count_sub(val);
> > +}
> >  #else
> >  #define preempt_count_add(val)	__preempt_count_add(val)
> >  #define preempt_count_sub(val)	__preempt_count_sub(val)
> >  #define preempt_count_dec_and_test() __preempt_count_dec_and_test()
> >  #endif
> >  
> > +#if defined(CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT) || defined(CONFIG_TRACE_PREEMPT_TOGGLE)
> > +#define preempt_count_dec_and_test() \
> > +	({ preempt_count_sub(1); should_resched(0); })
> > +#endif
> 
> Why!?!
> 
> Why can't you simply have:
> 
> static __always_inline bool preempt_count_dec_and_test(void)
> {
> 	if (__preempt_trace_enabled(enable, 1))
> 		__trace_preempt_on();
> 
> 	return __preempt_count_dec_and_test();
> }

Indeed it improved the generated code. Thanks a lot.

> 
> Also, given how !x86 architectures were just complaining about how
> terrible their preempt_emable() is, I'm really not liking this much at
> all.
> 

I will look deeper in arm64 and riscv generated code. If there are other
specific architectures that concerns you, please let me know.

> Currently the x86 preempt_disable() is _1_ instruction and
> preempt_enable() is all of 3. Adding in these tracepoints will bloat
> every single such site by at least another 4-5.
> 

Yes, there is a tradeoff. As I said before, I am looking at the hot path
(tracepoint no activated). Furthermore, when CONFIG_TRACE_PREEMPT_TOGGLE
and CONFIG_TRACE_IRQFLAGS_TOGGLE are off (default config), the code
generated is the same, byte by byte, of the stock kernel.

> That's significant bloat, for really very little gain. Realistically
> nobody is going to need these.
> 

Of course, I can't speak for others, but more than once I debugged issues
that those tracepoints had made my life far easier. Those cases convinced
me that such a feature would be worth it. But if you don't see
value and will reject the patches no matter what, nothing can be done,
and I will have to accept defeat.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-12 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-11 12:50 [PATCH v3 0/4] tracing/preemptirq: Optimize disabled tracepoint overhead Wander Lairson Costa
2026-03-11 12:50 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] tracing/preemptirq: Optimize preempt_disable/enable() " Wander Lairson Costa
2026-03-11 19:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-12 17:19     ` Wander Lairson Costa [this message]
2026-03-13  9:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-13 15:36         ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-03-11 12:50 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] trace/preemptirq: make TRACE_PREEMPT_TOGGLE user-selectable Wander Lairson Costa
2026-03-11 12:50 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] trace/preemptirq: add TRACE_IRQFLAGS_TOGGLE Wander Lairson Costa
2026-03-11 12:50 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] trace/preemptirq: Implement trace_irqflags hooks Wander Lairson Costa
2026-03-11 19:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-11 19:48     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-11 19:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-11 20:07         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-11 20:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-11 23:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2026-03-12 17:09     ` Wander Lairson Costa

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