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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 2/4] ring-buffer: Flush and stop persistent ring buffer on panic
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 10:53:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c91f37bf-97e9-4752-99a9-3d534ce9d2f0@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260318231959.717f07ec491a731941aee1d9@kernel.org>

On 2026-03-18 10:19, Masami Hiramatsu (Google) wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 10:32:29 +0900
> "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
>> From: Masami Hiramatsu (Google) <mhiramat@kernel.org>
>>
>> On real hardware, panic and machine reboot may not flush hardware cache
>> to memory. This means the persistent ring buffer, which relies on a
>> coherent state of memory, may not have its events written to the buffer
>> and they may be lost. Moreover, there may be inconsistency with the
>> counters which are used for validation of the integrity of the
>> persistent ring buffer which may cause all data to be discarded.
>>
>> To avoid this issue, stop recording of the ring buffer on panic and
>> flush the cache of the ring buffer's memory.
> 
> Hmm, on some architectures, flush_cache_vmap() is implemented using
> on_each_cpu() which waits IPI. But that does not safe in panic notifier
> because it is called after smp_send_stop().
> 
> Since this cache flush issue is currently only confirmed on arm64,
> I would like to make it doing nothing (do { } while (0)) by default.

FWIW, I've sent a related series a while ago about flushing pmem
areas to memory on panic:

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240618154157.334602-3-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com/

When reading your patch, I feel like I'm missing something, so please bear with
me for a few questions:

- What exactly are you trying to flush ? By "flush" do you mean
   evince cache lines or write back cache lines ? (I expect you aim
   at the second option)

- AFAIU, you are not trying to evince cache lines after creation
   of a new virtual mapping (which is the documented intent of
   flush_cache_vmap).
   
- AFAIU flush_cache_vmap maps to no-code on arm64 (asm-generic), what am
   I missing ? It makes sense to be a no-op because AFAIR arm64 does not
   have to deal with virtually aliasing caches.

see commit 8690bbcf3b7 ("Introduce cpu_dcache_is_aliasing() across all architectures")

The arch_wb_cache_pmem is specific to pmem, which is not exactly what you want
to use, but on arm64 it's implemented as:

         /* Ensure order against any prior non-cacheable writes */
         dmb(osh);
         dcache_clean_pop((unsigned long)addr, (unsigned long)addr + size);

Which I think has the writeback semantic you are looking for, and AFAIU should no
require IPIs (at least on arm64) to flush cache lines across the entire system.

Cheers,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-18 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-11  1:32 [PATCH v9 0/4] ring-buffer: Making persistent ring buffers robust Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2026-03-11  1:32 ` [PATCH v9 1/4] ring-buffer: Fix to update per-subbuf entries of persistent ring buffer Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2026-03-11  1:32 ` [PATCH v9 2/4] ring-buffer: Flush and stop persistent ring buffer on panic Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2026-03-18 14:19   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2026-03-18 14:53     ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-03-18 15:29       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2026-03-18 15:51         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-19  3:36           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2026-03-11  1:32 ` [PATCH v9 3/4] ring-buffer: Skip invalid sub-buffers when validating persistent ring buffer Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2026-03-11  1:32 ` [PATCH v9 4/4] ring-buffer: Add persistent ring buffer selftest Masami Hiramatsu (Google)
2026-03-16 23:21 ` [PATCH v9 0/4] ring-buffer: Making persistent ring buffers robust Masami Hiramatsu

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