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From: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	 Jonathan Corbet	 <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	 Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>,
	Tomas Glozar <tglozar@redhat.com>, Juri Lelli <jlelli@redhat.com>,
	 Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 11/17] Documentation/rv: Add documentation about hybrid automata
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 12:40:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdf1912c57cc49d203aec31c645c1c38e863a0ab.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aKQ7iaSb9GGUtuCZ@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb>

On Tue, 2025-08-19 at 10:53 +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> On 14/08/25 17:08, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
> > 
> > +
> > +Examples
> > +--------
> 
> Maybe add subsection titles to better mark separation between
> different examples?

Sure, makes sense.

> 
> > +The 'wip' (wakeup in preemptive) example introduced as a
> > deterministic automaton
> > +can also be described as:
> > +
> > +- *X* = { ``any_thread_running`` }
> > +- *E* = { ``sched_waking`` }
> > +- *V* = { ``preemptive`` }
> > +- x\ :subscript:`0` = ``any_thread_running``
> > +- X\ :subscript:`m` = {``any_thread_running``}
> > +- *f* =
> > +   - *f*\ (``any_thread_running``, ``sched_waking``,
> > ``preemptive==0``) = ``any_thread_running``
> > +- *i* =
> > +   - *i*\ (``any_thread_running``) = ``true``
> > +
> > +Which can be represented graphically as::
> > +
> > +     |
> > +     |
> > +     v
> > +   #====================#   sched_waking;preemptive==0
> > +   H                    H ------------------------------+
> > +   H any_thread_running H                               |
> > +   H                    H <-----------------------------+
> > +   #====================#
> > +
> > +In this example, by using the preemptive state of the system as an
> > environment
> > +variable, we can assert this constraint on ``sched_waking``
> > without requiring
> > +preemption events (as we would in a deterministic automaton),
> > which can be
> > +useful in case those events are not available or not reliable on
> > the system.
> > +
> > +Since all the invariants in *i* are true, we can omit them from
> > the representation.
> > +
> > +As a sample timed automaton we can define 'stall' as:
> 
> Maybe indicate this first one is a not properly correct example
> (correct version follows)?

Yeah I should definitely be clearer about it. As you've guessed, this
example is to show things can be done differently as a tradeoff with
responsiveness, I should make that explicitly.

Thanks for the comments,
Gabriele


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-19 10:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-14 15:07 [RFC PATCH 00/17] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type, per-object and deadline monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 01/17] rv: Refactor da_monitor to minimise macros Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21  8:14   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-21  8:49     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-25  8:02       ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-25  8:03       ` Nam Cao
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 02/17] rv: Cleanup da_monitor after refactor Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 03/17] Documentation/rv: Adapt documentation after da_monitor refactoring Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 04/17] verification/rvgen: Adapt dot2k and templates after refactoring da_monitor.h Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 05/17] verification/rvgen: Annotate DA functions with types Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21  8:29   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-21  8:51     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 06/17] verification/dot2c: Remove __buff_to_string() and cleanup Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21  8:32   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-14 15:07 ` [RFC PATCH 07/17] verification/rvgen: Remove unused variable declaration from containers Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21  8:33   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 08/17] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19  9:18   ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-19  9:48     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19 10:08       ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-19 10:53         ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21 12:18   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-25  7:48     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-25  8:13       ` Nam Cao
2025-08-25  8:32         ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 09/17] verification/rvgen: Allow spaces in and events strings Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21 12:22   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-21 13:22     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21 15:15       ` Nam Cao
2025-08-21 15:58         ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 10/17] verification/rvgen: Add support for Hybrid Automata Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-21 12:38   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-21 13:15     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-25  9:55   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-25 14:24     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-25 10:06   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-25 14:02     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 11/17] Documentation/rv: Add documentation about hybrid automata Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19  8:53   ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-19  9:14     ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-19 10:46       ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19 10:40     ` Gabriele Monaco [this message]
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 12/17] rv: Add sample hybrid monitors stall Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 13/17] rv: Convert the opid monitor to a hybrid automaton Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-02  9:28   ` Nam Cao
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 14/17] sched: Add deadline tracepoints Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19  9:56   ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-19 10:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-19 10:34       ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19 14:02         ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-19 14:21           ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-19 14:38           ` Phil Auld
2025-08-20  5:20             ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-02 14:55           ` Juri Lelli
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 15/17] rv: Add support for per-object monitors in DA/HA Gabriele Monaco
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 16/17] verification/rvgen: Add support for per-obj monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-04  8:20   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-04  8:39     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-04  8:58       ` Nam Cao
2025-08-14 15:08 ` [RFC PATCH 17/17] rv: Add deadline monitors Gabriele Monaco

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