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From: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
To: Wander Lairson Costa <wander@redhat.com>
Cc: Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	 open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:RUNTIME VERIFICATION (RV)"	
	<linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/26] rv/rvgen: introduce AutomataError exception class
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 16:08:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fb6b81910e32dbf7aa16e1961dc1dca0a9bfbf57.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aW9ySuaPMZVm-MrN@fedora>

On Tue, 2026-01-20 at 09:39 -0300, Wander Lairson Costa wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 08:33:10AM +0100, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
> > I agree catching all exceptions like this is quite detrimental while
> > debugging,
> > but I see the original intent.
> > When you run commands written in python, you normally don't expect them to
> > blurt
> > a stack trace when doing relatively normal things, like opening a wrong
> > file.
> > Sure that might be useful when debugging, but for a user-facing tool we want
> > to
> > write a meaningful error message and gracefully fail.
> > 
> 
> One option I thought was to keep it as it is but adding a --debug option
> which would reraise the exception and then print the stack trace.
> But as the users are developers themselves, leaving the exception
> unchaught would help them identify the error (although I am strongly
> against doing this in server side code). Another reason is the case
> when the code itself has a bug. That would facilitate bug reports.

That could be a good tradeoff. Users are developer but (although I'm not sure if
it really happened yet) are not the rvgen developers, they don't need to know
where exactly the code complained, unless it really broke.
All errors that are expected (OSError or wrong format) should have a meaningful
message for the user, I believe by doing that we'd have a pretty clear idea
where the error came from in the code too (e.g. event parsing, opening a file,
etc.).

If the code has a bug, then yes we should throw the exception as is, that's why
I think it's good not to catch Exception, but to catch only the few exceptions
we know can happen, all others would be bugs.

> 
> Perhaps we could catch more specific exceptions that would indicate a
> problem with the dot files instead of Exception. Like
> 
> try: ...
> except AutomataError as e:
>     print(f"There was a problem processing {dot_file}: {str(e)}",
>           file=sys.stderr)
>     sys.exit(1)
> 
> Which would be a common case. And leaving other types of exceptions
> unchaught.

Yeah pretty much

> 
> > Other story is when the exception is something unexpected (that's why
> > leaving a
> > generic Exception here is bad).
> > 
> > >      print("Writing the monitor into the directory %s" % monitor.name)
> > >      monitor.print_files()
> > > diff --git a/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/automata.py
> > > b/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/automata.py
> > > index d9a3fe2b74bf2..8d88c3b65d00d 100644
> > > --- a/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/automata.py
> > > +++ b/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/automata.py
> > > @@ -10,6 +10,13 @@
> > >  
> > >  import ntpath
> > >  
> > > +class AutomataError(OSError):
> > > +    """Exception raised for errors in automata parsing and validation.
> > > +
> > > +    Raised when DOT file processing fails due to invalid format, I/O
> > > errors,
> > > +    or malformed automaton definitions.
> > > +    """
> > > +
> > 
> > I'm not quite familiar with modern python best practices (so again, take my
> > comments with a grain of salt ;) ), but what is the advantage of using this
> > custom exception instead of using pre-existing specific exception types?
> > 
> > Although the difference is minimal, here you're throwing an OSError for
> > something that quite isn't (e.g. wrong format for the dot file).
> > A ValueError feels more appropriate to me in most of the instances here.
> > 
> > All in all, I would do something like:
> > * throw a ValueError (or a custom one based on that) whenever we expect
> > wrong
> > data not dependent on OS features
> > * throw OSError whenever that was the exception, perhaps changing the
> > message to
> > something more meaningful to us (like you're already doing here)
> > * intercept only those errors in main.py and print the message without stack
> > trace (if the message is clear enough we shouldn't need it).
> > 
> > Does it make sense to you?
> > 
> 
> The reasoning behind specific exception types is to allow the calling code
> process diferent exceptions in more specialized code paths, like the
> example above.
> 
> AutomataError could derive from both OSError and ValueError.
> 
> class AutomataError(OSError, ValueError): ...
> 
> Which would address your (valid) point. This way, the calling code could
> either process specific automata related errors with AutomataError, or
> handle general file error, like that:
> 
> try...
> except OSError as e:
>     print(f"File error: {str(e)", file=sys.stderr)
> except AutomataError as e:
>     print(f"Ill formed dot file: {str(e)", file=stderr)
> 

Yes! That's exactly what I mean, those are exceptions we expect, so no splat,
all others can just propagate.

Thanks,
Gabriele

> > Thanks,
> > Gabriele
> > 
> > >  class Automata:
> > >      """Automata class: Reads a dot file and part it as an automata.
> > >  
> > > @@ -32,11 +39,11 @@ class Automata:
> > >          basename = ntpath.basename(self.__dot_path)
> > >          if not basename.endswith(".dot") and not
> > > basename.endswith(".gv"):
> > >              print("not a dot file")
> > > -            raise Exception("not a dot file: %s" % self.__dot_path)
> > > +            raise AutomataError("not a dot file: %s" % self.__dot_path)
> > >  
> > >          model_name = ntpath.splitext(basename)[0]
> > >          if model_name.__len__() == 0:
> > > -            raise Exception("not a dot file: %s" % self.__dot_path)
> > > +            raise AutomataError("not a dot file: %s" % self.__dot_path)
> > >  
> > >          return model_name
> > >  
> > > @@ -45,8 +52,8 @@ class Automata:
> > >          dot_lines = []
> > >          try:
> > >              dot_file = open(self.__dot_path)
> > > -        except:
> > > -            raise Exception("Cannot open the file: %s" % self.__dot_path)
> > > +        except OSError as exc:
> > > +            raise AutomataError(f"Cannot open the file:
> > > {self.__dot_path}")
> > > from exc
> > >  
> > >          dot_lines = dot_file.read().splitlines()
> > >          dot_file.close()
> > > @@ -55,7 +62,7 @@ class Automata:
> > >          line = dot_lines[cursor].split()
> > >  
> > >          if (line[0] != "digraph") and (line[1] != "state_automaton"):
> > > -            raise Exception("Not a valid .dot format: %s" %
> > > self.__dot_path)
> > > +            raise AutomataError("Not a valid .dot format: %s" %
> > > self.__dot_path)
> > >          else:
> > >              cursor += 1
> > >          return dot_lines
> > > diff --git a/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/dot2c.py
> > > b/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/dot2c.py
> > > index b9b6f14cc536a..1a1770e7f20c0 100644
> > > --- a/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/dot2c.py
> > > +++ b/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/dot2c.py
> > > @@ -13,7 +13,7 @@
> > >  # For further information, see:
> > >  #   Documentation/trace/rv/deterministic_automata.rst
> > >  
> > > -from .automata import Automata
> > > +from .automata import Automata, AutomataError
> > >  
> > >  class Dot2c(Automata):
> > >      enum_suffix = ""
> > > @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ class Dot2c(Automata):
> > >              min_type = "unsigned int"
> > >  
> > >          if self.states.__len__() > 1000000:
> > > -            raise Exception("Too many states: %d" %
> > > self.states.__len__())
> > > +            raise AutomataError("Too many states: %d" %
> > > self.states.__len__())
> > >  
> > >          return min_type
> > >  
> > > diff --git a/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/generator.py
> > > b/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/generator.py
> > > index 3441385c11770..a7bee6b1ea70c 100644
> > > --- a/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/generator.py
> > > +++ b/tools/verification/rvgen/rvgen/generator.py
> > > @@ -51,10 +51,7 @@ class RVGenerator:
> > >          raise FileNotFoundError("Could not find the rv directory, do you
> > > have
> > > the kernel source installed?")
> > >  
> > >      def _read_file(self, path):
> > > -        try:
> > > -            fd = open(path, 'r')
> > > -        except OSError:
> > > -            raise Exception("Cannot open the file: %s" % path)
> > > +        fd = open(path, 'r')
> > >  
> > >          content = fd.read()
> > >  
> > > @@ -65,7 +62,7 @@ class RVGenerator:
> > >          try:
> > >              path = os.path.join(self.abs_template_dir, file)
> > >              return self._read_file(path)
> > > -        except Exception:
> > > +        except OSError:
> > >              # Specific template file not found. Try the generic template
> > > file
> > > in the template/
> > >              # directory, which is one level up
> > >              path = os.path.join(self.abs_template_dir, "..", file)
> > 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-20 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-19 20:45 [PATCH 00/26] rv/rvgen: Robustness, modernization, and fixes Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 01/26] rv/rvgen: introduce AutomataError exception class Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:33   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 12:39     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20 15:08       ` Gabriele Monaco [this message]
2026-01-22 14:39         ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 02/26] rv/rvgen: remove bare except clauses in generator Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20 10:05   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:43   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 03/26] rv/rvgen: replace % string formatting with f-strings Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20 10:02   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:46   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 04/26] rv/rvgen: replace __len__() calls with len() Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:41   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:46   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 05/26] rv/rvgen: remove unnecessary semicolons Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:42   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:47   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 06/26] rv/rvgen: use context managers for file operations Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:44   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:50   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 07/26] rv/rvgen: replace __contains__() with in operator Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:45   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:51   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 08/26] rv/rvgen: simplify boolean comparison Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:48   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:51   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 09/26] rv/rvgen: replace inline NotImplemented with decorator Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-21 13:43   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-21 17:49     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 14:57   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 10/26] rv/rvgen: fix typos in automata docstring and comments Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 14:58   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 11/26] rv/rvgen: fix typo in generator module docstring Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:51   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:59   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 12/26] rv/rvgen: fix PEP 8 whitespace violations Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:53   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 14:59   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 13/26] rv/rvgen: fix DOT file validation logic error Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  7:56   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 15:01   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 14/26] rv/rvgen: remove redundant initial_state removal Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  8:01   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 12:05     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 15/26] rv/rvgen: use class constant for init marker Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  8:06   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 15:02   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 16/26] rv/rvgen: fix unbound initial_state variable Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  8:21   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 11:42     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20 11:53       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 17/26] rv/rvgen: fix possibly unbound variable in ltl2k Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  8:59   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 11:37     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20 12:30       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 19:38         ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-21  6:31           ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 15:31   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 18/26] rv/rvgen: add fill_tracepoint_args_skel stub to ltl2k Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-21 13:57   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-21 17:53     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 13:10       ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 13:49         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-23 12:19           ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-23 12:26             ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-23 14:04               ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 19/26] rv/rvgen: add abstract method stubs to Container class Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-21 13:59   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-21 17:56     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 15:33     ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 20/26] rv/rvgen: refactor automata.py to use iterator-based parsing Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  9:43   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 15:35     ` Nam Cao
2026-01-22 15:40       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 16:01         ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 21/26] rv/rvgen: remove unused sys import from dot2c Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  9:16   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 22/26] rv/rvgen: remove unused __get_main_name method Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  9:08   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-19 20:45 ` [PATCH 23/26] rv/rvgen: add type annotations to fix pyright errors Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 15:43   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:46 ` [PATCH 24/26] rv/rvgen: make monitor arguments required in rvgen Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  9:07   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-22 15:44   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:46 ` [PATCH 25/26] rv/rvgen: fix isinstance check in Variable.expand() Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-22 15:53   ` Nam Cao
2026-01-19 20:46 ` [PATCH 26/26] rv/rvgen: extract node marker string to class constant Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20  9:03   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 11:34     ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-20 12:36       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 13:11         ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20 18:56           ` Wander Lairson Costa
2026-01-21  6:16             ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-01-20  7:20 ` [PATCH 00/26] rv/rvgen: Robustness, modernization, and fixes Nam Cao

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