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From: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 11/14] context-tracking: Introduce work deferral infrastructure
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:30:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xhsmhttuhuvix.mognet@vschneid.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZKXtfWZiM66dK5xC@localhost.localdomain>

On 06/07/23 00:23, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Le Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 07:12:53PM +0100, Valentin Schneider a écrit :
>> +bool ct_set_cpu_work(unsigned int cpu, unsigned int work)
>> +{
>> +	struct context_tracking *ct = per_cpu_ptr(&context_tracking, cpu);
>> +	unsigned int old_work;
>> +	bool ret = false;
>> +
>> +	preempt_disable();
>> +
>> +	old_work = atomic_read(&ct->work);
>> +	/*
>> +	 * Try setting the work until either
>> +	 * - the target CPU no longer accepts any more deferred work
>> +	 * - the work has been set
>> +	 */
>> +	while (!(old_work & CONTEXT_WORK_DISABLED) && !ret)
>
> Isn't there a race here where you may have missed a CPU that just entered in
> user and you eventually disturb it?
>

Yes, unfortunately.

>> +		ret = atomic_try_cmpxchg(&ct->work, &old_work, old_work | work);
>> +
>> +	preempt_enable();
>> +	return ret;
>> +}
> [...]
>> @@ -100,14 +158,19 @@ static noinstr void ct_kernel_exit_state(int offset)
>>   */
>>  static noinstr void ct_kernel_enter_state(int offset)
>>  {
>> +	struct context_tracking *ct = this_cpu_ptr(&context_tracking);
>>      int seq;
>> +	unsigned int work;
>>
>> +	work = ct_work_fetch(ct);
>
> So this adds another fully ordered operation on user <-> kernel transition.
> How many such IPIs can we expect?
>

Despite having spent quite a lot of time on that question, I think I still
only have a hunch.

Poking around RHEL systems, I'd say 99% of the problematic IPIs are
instruction patching and TLB flushes.

Staring at the code, there's quite a lot of smp_calls for which it's hard
to say whether the target CPUs can actually be isolated or not (e.g. the
CPU comes from a cpumask shoved in a struct that was built using data from
another struct of uncertain origins), but then again some of them don't
need to hook into context_tracking.

Long story short: I /think/ we can consider that number to be fairly small,
but there could be more lurking in the shadows.

> If this is just about a dozen, can we stuff them in the state like in the
> following? We can potentially add more of them especially on 64 bits we could
> afford 30 different works, this is just shrinking the RCU extended quiescent
> state counter space. Worst case that can happen is that RCU misses 65535
> idle/user <-> kernel transitions and delays a grace period...
>

I'm trying to grok how this impacts RCU, IIUC most of RCU mostly cares about the
even/odd-ness of the thing, and rcu_gp_fqs() cares about the actual value
but only to check if it has changed over time (rcu_dynticks_in_eqs_since()
only does a !=).

I'm rephrasing here to make sure I get it - is it then that the worst case
here is 2^(dynticks_counter_size) transitions happen between saving the
dynticks snapshot and checking it again, so RCU waits some more?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-06 11:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-05 18:12 [RFC PATCH 00/14] context_tracking,x86: Defer some IPIs until a user->kernel transition Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] tracing/filters: Dynamically allocate filter_pred.regex Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] tracing/filters: Enable filtering a cpumask field by another cpumask Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:54   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] tracing/filters: Enable filtering a scalar field by a cpumask Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 19:00   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] tracing/filters: Enable filtering the CPU common " Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] tracing/filters: Document cpumask filtering Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] objtool: Flesh out warning related to pv_ops[] calls Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] objtool: Warn about non __ro_after_init static key usage in .noinstr Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] BROKEN: context_tracking: Make context_tracking_key __ro_after_init Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 20:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] x86/kvm: Make kvm_async_pf_enabled __ro_after_init Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] x86/sev-es: Make sev_es_enable_key __ro_after_init Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] context-tracking: Introduce work deferral infrastructure Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 22:23   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-05 22:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-06  9:53       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-06 10:01     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-06 11:30     ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2023-07-06 11:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-06 16:39         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-07-06 18:05           ` Valentin Schneider
2023-07-06 11:55     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-07-05 22:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-06 11:31     ` Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] context_tracking,x86: Defer kernel text patching IPIs Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] context_tracking,x86: Add infrastructure to defer kernel TLBI Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:12 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] x86/mm, mm/vmalloc: Defer flush_tlb_kernel_range() targeting NOHZ_FULL CPUs Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 18:48 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] context_tracking,x86: Defer some IPIs until a user->kernel transition Nadav Amit
2023-07-06 11:29   ` Valentin Schneider
2023-07-05 19:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-07-06 11:30   ` Valentin Schneider

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