From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.91] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1-new.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYn2x-0006nK-FV for user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:43:59 -0700 Received: from smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.11.36]) by mail.sourceforge.net with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1HYn2u-0005kF-Ca for user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:43:55 -0700 From: Blaisorblade Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:43:14 +0200 References: <1712880100@web.de> <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704031943.15001.blaisorblade@yahoo.it> Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? List-Id: The user-mode Linux development list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Sender: user-mode-linux-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: user-mode-linux-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Antoine Martin Cc: Jeff Dike , devzero@web.de, user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On luned=EC 2 aprile 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: > Jeff Dike wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: > >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the > >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementatio= n. > > > > Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you > > don't have now. > > Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, Hmm... for that to be completely plug-and-play you need to make sure a dhcp= =20 server on the host exists. Vmware runs a separate DHCP server exactly for this, even if we should avoi= d=20 that as much as possible. > it would allow users=20 > to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without > understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. > We are all capable of setting up Xvfb here, but most users are not, > which is why they download ready-made images. What about installing and pre-configuring Xnest on the image? With a suitab= le=20 script calling xhost on the host, it just works. This project did it: http://umlbuilder.sourceforge.net/ although it stopped working for me ages ago (probably for some UML bug). I = built a Mandrake image (that I now lost) with Xnest configured. With a scri= pt=20 on the host which passes the host IP and that calls xhost, it should work=20 easily. And btw, we need a standard startup script anyway. > It would also make it a lot easier to focus on writing a management UI, > hell if there isn't one shortly after, I'll do one myself! Why not one management UI running from the host, a-la vmware? Possibly, wit= h=20 as much code as possible in scripting languages, for better transparency. > Think of a UML browser image (running IE via wine in a limited image > with just X + wine + IE - I would much prefer that to having wine+IE > installed locally), testing framebuffer apps like gtk-fb/cairo-fb > without risking your dev environment, etc... > > Antoine --=20 Inform me of my mistakes, so I can add them to my list! Paolo Giarrusso, aka Blaisorblade http://www.user-mode-linux.org/~blaisorblade ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=3Djoin.php&p=3Dsourceforge&CID=3DDE= VDEV _______________________________________________ User-mode-linux-devel mailing list User-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/user-mode-linux-devel