From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 23:25:13 +0000 From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/50] Add log level to show_stack() Message-ID: <20191106232512.GU25745@shell.armlinux.org.uk> References: <20191106030542.868541-1-dima@arista.com> <20191106092039.GT4131@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <10db6fa1-5b17-ebe6-09e0-6335e09e4db8@arista.com> <20191106203440.GH3079@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191106203440.GH3079@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-um" Errors-To: linux-um-bounces+geert=linux-m68k.org@lists.infradead.org To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Juri Lelli , linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, Catalin Marinas , Ben Segall , Guo Ren , Pavel Machek , Vincent Guittot , Paul Burton , Dmitry Safonov , Michael Ellerman , Geert Uytterhoeven , Mel Gorman , Jiri Slaby , Matt Turner , uclinux-h8-devel@lists.sourceforge.jp, Len Brown , linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, Heiko Carstens , linux-um@lists.infradead.org, Thomas Gleixner , Dietmar Eggemann , Richard Henderson , Greg Kroah-Hartman , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ralf Baechle , Paul Mackerras , Andrew Morton , linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, Tetsuo Handa , James Hogan , "James E.J. Bottomley" , Max Filippov , Vincent Chen , Ingo Molnar , linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-c6x-dev@linux-c6x.org, Yoshinori Sato , linux-hexagon@vger.kernel.org, Helge Deller , linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, Vasily Gorbik , Aurelien Jacquiot , linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, Stafford Horne , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Chris Zankel , Tony Luck , Douglas Anderson , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@gmail.com>, Will Deacon , Daniel Thompson , Brian Cain , Christian Borntraeger , kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org, Fenghua Yu , Borislav Petkov , Jeff Dike , Steven Rostedt , Ivan Kokshaysky , Greentime Hu , Guan Xuetao , linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, Ley Foon Tan , "David S. Miller" , Rich Felker , Petr Mladek , "H. Peter Anvin" , sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Anton Ivanov , Jonas Bonn , Richard Weinberger , x86@kernel.org, clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com, Ingo Molnar , Mark Salter , Albert Ou , Stefan Kristiansson , openrisc@lists.librecores.org, Paul Walmsley , Michal Simek , Vineet Gupta , linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, Sergey Senozhatsky , Palmer Dabbelt , Jason Wessel , nios2-dev@lists.rocketboards.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 09:34:40PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > I suppose I'm surprised there are backtraces that are not important. > Either badness happened and it needs printing, or the user asked for it > and it needs printing. Or utterly meaningless. > Perhaps we should be removing backtraces if they're not important > instead of allowing to print them as lower loglevels? Definitely! WARN_ON() is well overused - and as is typical, used without much thought. Bound to happen after Linus got shirty about BUG_ON() being over used. Everyone just grabbed the next nearest thing to assert(). As a kind of example, I've recently come across one WARN_ON() in a driver subsystem (that shall remain nameless at the moment) which very likely has multiple different devices on a platform. The WARN_ON() triggers as a result of a problem with the hardware, but because it's a WARN_ON(), you've no idea which device has a problem. The backtrace is mostly meaningless. So you know that a problem has occurred, but the kernel prints *useless* backtrace to let you know, and totally omits the *useful* information. -- RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/ FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line in suburbia: sync at 12.1Mbps down 622kbps up According to speedtest.net: 11.9Mbps down 500kbps up _______________________________________________ linux-um mailing list linux-um@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-um