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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>, Xiubo Li <xiubli@redhat.com>,
	Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Olga Kornievskaia <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	Dai Ngo <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] Change inode_operations.mkdir to return struct dentry *
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 02:09:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250224020933.GV1977892@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <174036084630.74271.16513912864596248299@noble.neil.brown.name>

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 12:34:06PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 10:36:30AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> > 
> > > +In general, filesystems which use d_instantiate_new() to install the new
> > > +inode can safely return NULL.  Filesystems which may not have an I_NEW inode
> > > +should use d_drop();d_splice_alias() and return the result of the latter.
> > 
> > IMO that's a bad pattern, _especially_ if you want to go for "in-update"
> > kind of stuff later.
> 
> Agreed.  I have a draft patch to change d_splice_alias() and
> d_exact_alias() to work on hashed dentrys.  I thought it should go after
> these mkdir patches rather than before.

Could you give a braindump on the things d_exact_alias() is needed for?
It's a recurring headache when doing ->d_name/->d_parent audits; see e.g.
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20241213080023.GI3387508@ZenIV/ for related
mini-rant from the latest iteration.

Proof of correctness is bloody awful; it feels like the primitive itself
is wrong, but I'd never been able to write anything concise regarding
the things we really want there ;-/


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-24  2:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-20 23:36 [PATCH 0/6] Change ->mkdir() and vfs_mkdir() to return a dentry NeilBrown
2025-02-20 23:36 ` [PATCH 1/6] Change inode_operations.mkdir to return struct dentry * NeilBrown
2025-02-22  4:19   ` Al Viro
2025-02-24  1:34     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-24  2:09       ` Al Viro [this message]
2025-02-24  3:09         ` NeilBrown
2025-02-24 15:56           ` Trond Myklebust
2025-02-26  2:09             ` NeilBrown
2025-02-26  2:34               ` Trond Myklebust
2025-02-26  3:18                 ` NeilBrown
2025-02-26  3:35                   ` Al Viro
2025-02-22  4:56   ` Al Viro
2025-02-20 23:36 ` [PATCH 2/6] hostfs: store inode in dentry after mkdir if possible NeilBrown
2025-02-21 13:17   ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-20 23:36 ` [PATCH 3/6] ceph: return the correct dentry on mkdir NeilBrown
2025-02-21  1:48   ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2025-02-24  2:15     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-24 22:09       ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2025-02-24 22:53         ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-24 23:29         ` NeilBrown
2025-02-21 13:31   ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-20 23:36 ` [PATCH 4/6] fuse: return correct dentry for ->mkdir NeilBrown
2025-02-21 13:39   ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-22  4:24   ` Al Viro
2025-02-24  2:26     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-24  2:53       ` Al Viro
2025-02-20 23:36 ` [PATCH 5/6] nfs: change mkdir inode_operation to return alternate dentry if needed NeilBrown
2025-02-22  4:41   ` Al Viro
2025-02-24  2:41     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-20 23:36 ` [PATCH 6/6] VFS: Change vfs_mkdir() to return the dentry NeilBrown
2025-02-21 14:25   ` Jeff Layton
2025-02-22  0:32   ` Chuck Lever
2025-02-24  2:51     ` NeilBrown
2025-02-24 14:22       ` Chuck Lever
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-02-27  1:32 [PATCH 0/6 v2] Change ->mkdir() and vfs_mkdir() to return a dentry NeilBrown
2025-02-27  1:32 ` [PATCH 1/6] Change inode_operations.mkdir to return struct dentry * NeilBrown
2025-02-27 11:34   ` Christian Brauner

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