Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Possible ways to execute

Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Possible ways to execute

[Richard Weinberger]

Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco:
> Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with
> another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed
> before that end with error.
> 
> The full execution, right now, is:
> 
> ==========================
> $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M

Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY?

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Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Possible ways to execute

[Richard Weinberger]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 10:18, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco:
>> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with
>> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed
>> > before that end with error.
>> >
>> > The full execution, right now, is:
>> >
>> > ==========================
>> > $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M
>>
>> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY?

If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel.
Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere.
For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/

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Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Possible ways to execute

[Richard Weinberger]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote:
> What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This
> may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the
> kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to
> compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done
> something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much
> as long as I have flexibility to execute it.

Everything that gets -stable updates.

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Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Website is in need of many small changes and updates?

[Richard Weinberger]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote:
>> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with
>> > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed
>> > > >> > before that end with error.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY?
>> > >
>> > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel.
>> > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere.
>> > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/
>> > >
>> >
>> > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded
>> > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this
>> > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported
>> > in most places I could need - or so I assumed.
>>
>> > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This
>> > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the
>> > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to
>> > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done
>> > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much
>> > as long as I have flexibility to execute it.
>>
>> Everything that gets -stable updates.
>
> Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right
> now.
>
> "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and
> still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think
> the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives
> bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing
> the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to
> get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to
> http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS
> (pointing to
> http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are
> these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now
> I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution,
> to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope.
>
> The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows
> this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be
> updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users
> can be sure their setup is good enough.
>
> I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed
> best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And
> the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've
> forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I
> compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very
> start.
>
> Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the
> UML website, right?

The website is very old and from the pre-mainline time.
If you volunteer to update and maintain it it would be wonderful.

I'm not a web designer nor do I have the time for this.

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Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Website is in need of many small changes and updates?

[Michael Richardson]

Please, at least mark the info as being OLD OLD OLD.
90% of it is unnecessary.


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Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Website is in need of many small changes and updates?

[Richard Weinberger]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 16:55, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with
>> >> > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed
>> >> > > >> > before that end with error.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel.
>> >> > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere.
>> >> > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded
>> >> > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this
>> >> > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported
>> >> > in most places I could need - or so I assumed.
>> >>
>> >> > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This
>> >> > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the
>> >> > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to
>> >> > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done
>> >> > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much
>> >> > as long as I have flexibility to execute it.
>> >>
>> >> Everything that gets -stable updates.
>> >
>> > Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right
>> > now.
>> >
>> > "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and
>> > still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think
>> > the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives
>> > bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing
>> > the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to
>> > get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to
>> > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS
>> > (pointing to
>> > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are
>> > these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now
>> > I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution,
>> > to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope.
>> >
>> > The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows
>> > this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be
>> > updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users
>> > can be sure their setup is good enough.
>> >
>> > I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed
>> > best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And
>> > the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've
>> > forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I
>> > compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very
>> > start.
>> >
>> > Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the
>> > UML website, right?
>>
>> The website is very old and from the pre-mainline time.
>> If you volunteer to update and maintain it it would be wonderful.
>>
>> I'm not a web designer nor do I have the time for this.
>>
>
> Really?! I would never bet that it was that old.
>
> I can update it. And I also have a little bit of web design knowledge
> and practices that may be eventually useful. On the other hand, I would
> need directions and thumbs up to guarantee that the contents are kept
> correct (which would be my main objetive when changing texts). I have
> not programmed that much kernel code and "related or almost so" things,
> although I have a solid C background - and this is something that UML
> seems to have a broad contact surface, from the messages I have read
> here.
>
> At most a month of medium site changes are good as expectations?
> Although most of the time I can give a few hours per week, so that month
> should not look too bad.
>
> What would be the process? If only with you directly, I guess we
> continue to talk about it between us.

Create a concept and share it. :-)

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Re: [uml-devel] [uml-user] Website is in need of many small changes and updates?

[Thomas Meyer]

Am 31.10.2015 4:39 vorm. schrieb Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc>:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 16:55, Richard Weinberger wrote: 
> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Balaco Baco <balacobaco@imap.cc> wrote: 
> > >> >> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with 
> > >> >> > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed 
> > >> >> > > >> > before that end with error. 
> > >> >> > > >> > 
> > >> >> > > >> 
> > >> >> > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? 
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. 
> > >> >> > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. 
> > >> >> > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ 
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded 
> > >> >> > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this 
> > >> >> > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported 
> > >> >> > in most places I could need - or so I assumed. 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This 
> > >> >> > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the 
> > >> >> > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to 
> > >> >> > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done 
> > >> >> > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much 
> > >> >> > as long as I have flexibility to execute it. 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Everything that gets -stable updates. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right 
> > >> > now. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and 
> > >> > still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think 
> > >> > the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives 
> > >> > bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing 
> > >> > the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to 
> > >> > get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to 
> > >> > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS 
> > >> > (pointing to 
> > >> > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are 
> > >> > these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now 
> > >> > I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution, 
> > >> > to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows 
> > >> > this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be 
> > >> > updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users 
> > >> > can be sure their setup is good enough. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed 
> > >> > best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And 
> > >> > the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've 
> > >> > forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I 
> > >> > compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very 
> > >> > start. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the 
> > >> > UML website, right? 
> > >> 
> > >> The website is very old and from the pre-mainline time. 
> > >> If you volunteer to update and maintain it it would be wonderful. 
> > >> 
> > >> I'm not a web designer nor do I have the time for this. 
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > Really?! I would never bet that it was that old. 
> > > 
> > > I can update it. And I also have a little bit of web design knowledge 
> > > and practices that may be eventually useful. On the other hand, I would 
> > > need directions and thumbs up to guarantee that the contents are kept 
> > > correct (which would be my main objetive when changing texts). I have 
> > > not programmed that much kernel code and "related or almost so" things, 
> > > although I have a solid C background - and this is something that UML 
> > > seems to have a broad contact surface, from the messages I have read 
> > > here. 
> > > 
> > > At most a month of medium site changes are good as expectations? 
> > > Although most of the time I can give a few hours per week, so that month 
> > > should not look too bad. 
> > > 
> > > What would be the process? If only with you directly, I guess we 
> > > continue to talk about it between us. 
> > 
> > Create a concept and share it. :-) 
> > 
>
> I do not have a final working step by step from zero until now. One is 
> giving compiling errors. The working UML (unknown origin, I don't know 
> how I made that before) + Debian64 downloaded (and how changed a bit 
> after booting it)... but it has no network, and I don't know why is 
> that. Can you tell? Not even a ping works: "Network is unreachable". The 
> host machine is normal, of course. 
>

You can find some more recent info on my blog about UML, e.g.:

http://m3y3r.de/wordpress/?p=2468
http://m3y3r.de/wordpress/?p=3846

> Basic question: how to shutdown a running UML? How are we suppose to do 
> it? Running 'shutdown now' from that Debian does not turn it off. Must I 
> open another SSH session to kill it, or just close the session if 
> nothing else is needed? 
>
> I'm used http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/source.html as a base to 
> what I have done (although I "updated" the suggested version there, as 
> discussed before). And changed almost nothing in the default config 
> before compiling... 
>
> When I have something that works, that source.html page is easy to 
> improve and needs many changes. Output of wget... not useful at all - we 
> surely can assume users will know how to download and extract files, 
> right? 
>
>
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