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From: Benjamin Berg <benjamin@sipsolutions.net>
To: Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@linux.dev>, johannes@sipsolutions.net
Cc: richard@nod.at, anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	 linux-um@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 tiwei.btw@antgroup.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 04/10] um: Turn signals_* into thread-local variables
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 10:06:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <75ba2109fcdfb8a1629fdf5f6b4e58694b975c9f.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c4bc989c4f10609eab699b26e8331bc878c2a0a.camel@sipsolutions.net>

Hi,

On Thu, 2025-09-11 at 09:37 +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 2025-09-11 at 12:34 +0800, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:15:28 +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2025-08-10 at 13:51 +0800, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > From: Tiwei Bie <tiwei.btw@antgroup.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Turn signals_enabled, signals_pending and signals_active into
> > > > thread-local variables. This enables us to control and track
> > > > signals independently on each CPU thread. This is a preparation
> > > > for adding SMP support.
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > +static __thread int signals_enabled;
> > > 
> > > How much glibc infrastructure does __thread rely on? More
> > > specifically:
> > > Some time ago we had a discussion about building UML as a nolibc
> > > binary,
> > > what would that mean for the __thread usage here?
> > 
> > We would need to parse TLS data (PT_TLS) from the ELF file
> > ourselves
> > and properly set up TLS when creating threads using clone().
> 
> I guess right now we cannot use PER_CPU variables in these files.
> However, my expectation that this is possible when using nolibc, and
> then it should be simple enough to replace the __thread.

That said, I do believe that the allocations from the libc itself are
problematic. A lot of the mappings from UML are there already (i.e. the
physical memory is mapped). However, I believe the vmalloc area for
example is not guarded.

So when pthread allocates the thread specific memory (stack, TLS, ...),
we really do not know where this will be mapped into the address space.
If it happens to be in an area that UML wants to use later, then UML
could map e.g. vmalloc data over it.

Now, it could be that (currently) the addresses picked by pthread (or
the host kernel) do not actually clash with anything. However, I do not
think there is any guarantee for that.

Benjamin


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-11  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-10  5:51 [PATCH v2 00/10] um: Add SMP support Tiwei Bie
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] um: Stop tracking virtual CPUs via mm_cpumask() Tiwei Bie
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] um: Remove unused cpu_data and current_cpu_data macros Tiwei Bie
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] um: vdso: Implement __vdso_getcpu() via syscall Tiwei Bie
2025-09-10 11:59   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-11  4:29     ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-21 20:00     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-09-22  4:50       ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-22 12:05         ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-09-22 12:12           ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-22 14:01             ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-09-22 15:14               ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-22 16:04                 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-09-22 17:07                   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-25 17:08                     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-10-21 13:20                     ` Johannes Berg
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] um: Turn signals_* into thread-local variables Tiwei Bie
2025-09-10 12:15   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-11  4:34     ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-11  7:37       ` Benjamin Berg
2025-09-11  8:06         ` Benjamin Berg [this message]
2025-09-12  0:30           ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-12  7:58             ` Benjamin Berg
2025-09-12 13:27               ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-11  9:44         ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-11 10:35           ` Benjamin Berg
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] um: Determine sleep based on need_resched() Tiwei Bie
2025-09-10 12:10   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-11  4:39     ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-11  6:59       ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-12  0:59         ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-11  9:27   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-12  0:54     ` Tiwei Bie
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] um: Define timers on a per-CPU basis Tiwei Bie
2025-08-10  9:49   ` kernel test robot
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] um: Remove unused ipi_pipe field from cpuinfo_um Tiwei Bie
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] um: Add initial SMP support Tiwei Bie
2025-09-11  9:32   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-12  0:45     ` Tiwei Bie
2025-09-12  7:58       ` Johannes Berg
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] asm-generic: percpu: Add assembly guard Tiwei Bie
2025-09-10 12:12   ` Johannes Berg
2025-08-10  5:51 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] um: Enable SMP support on x86 Tiwei Bie

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