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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Marcos Paulo de Souza <mpdesouza@suse.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
	Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>,
	Daniel Thompson <danielt@kernel.org>,
	Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org,
	kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] printk: Use consoles_suspended flag when suspending/resuming all consoles
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 16:49:07 +0206	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84y0tmiidg.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aExBo-8cVOy6GegR@pathway.suse.cz>

On 2025-06-13, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>> diff --git a/kernel/printk/nbcon.c b/kernel/printk/nbcon.c
>> index fd12efcc4aeda8883773d9807bc215f6e5cdf71a..72de12396e6f1bc5234acfdf6dcc393acf88d216 100644
>> --- a/kernel/printk/nbcon.c
>> +++ b/kernel/printk/nbcon.c
>> @@ -1147,7 +1147,7 @@ static bool nbcon_kthread_should_wakeup(struct console *con, struct nbcon_contex
>>  	cookie = console_srcu_read_lock();
>>  
>>  	flags = console_srcu_read_flags(con);
>> -	if (console_is_usable(con, flags, false)) {
>> +	if (console_is_usable(con, flags, false, consoles_suspended)) {
>
> The new global console_suspended value has the be synchronized the
> same way as the current CON_SUSPENDED per-console flag.
> It means that the value must be:
>
>   + updated only under console_list_lock together with
>     synchronize_rcu().
>
>   + read using READ_ONCE() under console_srcu_read_lock()

Yes.

> I am going to propose more solutions because no one is obviously
> the best one.

[...]

> Variant C:
> ==========
>
> Remove even @flags parameter from console_is_usable() and read both
> values there directly.
>
> Many callers read @flags only because they call console_is_usable().
> The change would simplify the code.
>
> But there are few exceptions:
>
>   1. __nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(), console_flush_all(),
>      and legacy_kthread_should_wakeup() pass @flags to
>      console_is_usable() and also check CON_NBCON flag.
>
>      But CON_NBCON flag is special. It is statically initialized
>      and never set/cleared at runtime. It can be checked without
>      READ_ONCE(). Well, we still might want to be sure that
>      the struct console can't disappear.
>
>      IMHO, this can be solved by a helper function:
>
> 	/**
> 	 * console_srcu_is_nbcon - Locklessly check whether the console is nbcon
> 	 * @con:	struct console pointer of console to check
> 	 *
> 	 * Requires console_srcu_read_lock to be held, which implies that @con might
> 	 * be a registered console. The purpose of holding console_srcu_read_lock is
> 	 * to guarantee that no exit/cleanup routines will run if the console
> 	 * is currently undergoing unregistration.
> 	 *
> 	 * If the caller is holding the console_list_lock or it is _certain_ that
> 	 * @con is not and will not become registered, the caller may read
> 	 * @con->flags directly instead.
> 	 *
> 	 * Context: Any context.
> 	 * Return: True when CON_NBCON flag is set.
> 	 */
> 	static inline bool console_is_nbcon(const struct console *con)
> 	{
> 		WARN_ON_ONCE(!console_srcu_read_lock_is_held());
>
> 		/*
> 		 * The CON_NBCON flag is statically initialized and is never
> 		 * set or cleared at runtime.
> 		return data_race(con->flags & CON_NBCON);
> 	}

Agreed.

>    2. Another exception is __pr_flush() where console_is_usable() is
>       called twice with @use_atomic set "true" and "false".
>
>       We would want to read "con->flags" only once here. A solution
>       would be to add a parameter to check both con->write_atomic
>       and con->write_thread in a single call.

Or it could become a bitmask of printing types to check:

#define ATOMIC_PRINTING 0x1
#define NONATOMIC_PRINTING 0x2

and then __pr_flush() looks like:

if (!console_is_usable(c, flags, ATOMIC_PRINTING|NONATOMIC_PRINTING)

>       But it might actually be enough to check is with the "false"
>       value because "con->write_thread()" is mandatory for nbcon
>       consoles. And legacy consoles do not distinguish atomic mode.

A bit tricky, but you are right.

>
>
> Variant D:
> ==========
>
> We need to distinguish the global and per-console "suspended" flag
> because they might be nested. But we could use a separate flag
> for the global setting.
>
> I mean that:
>
>     + console_suspend() would set CON_SUSPENDED flag
>     + console_suspend_all() would set CON_SUSPENDED_ALL flag
>
> They both will be in con->flags.
>
> Pros:
>
>     + It is easy to implement.
>
> Cons:
>
>     + It feels a bit ugly.
>
>
> My opinion:
> ===========
>
> I personally prefer the variant C because:
>
>   + Removes one parameter from console_is_usable().
>
>   + The lockless synchronization of both global and per-console
>     flags is hidden in console_is_usable().
>
>   + The global console_suspended flag will be stored in global
>     variable (in compare with variant D).
>
> What do you think, please?
>
> Best Regards,
> Petr
>
>
> PS: The commit message and the cover letter should better explain
>     the background of this change.
>
>     It would be great if the cover letter described the bigger
>     picture, especially the history of the console_suspended,
>     CON_SUSPENDED, and CON_ENABLED flags. It might use info
>     from
>     https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ZyoNZfLT6tlVAWjO@pathway.suse.cz/
>     and maybe even this link.
>
>     Also this commit message should mention that it partly reverts
>     the commit 9e70a5e109a4a233678 ("printk: Add per-console
>     suspended state"). But it is not simple revert because
>     we need to preserve the synchronization using
>     the console_list_lock for writing and SRCU for reading.

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-20 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-07  2:53 [PATCH 0/7] printk cleanup - part 2 Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 1/7] printk: Make console_{suspend,resume} handle CON_SUSPENDED Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-12 11:46   ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-23 18:45     ` Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 2/7] printk: Use consoles_suspended flag when suspending/resuming all consoles Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-13 15:20   ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-20 14:43     ` John Ogness [this message]
2025-06-24  8:40       ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-24 11:04         ` John Ogness
2025-06-25  8:48           ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-23 18:53     ` Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 3/7] drivers: tty: Check CON_SUSPENDED instead of CON_ENABLED Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-12 11:48   ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 4/7] drivers: serial: kgdboc: " Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-09 20:13   ` Doug Anderson
2025-06-10 20:03     ` Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-10 23:18       ` Doug Anderson
2025-06-12 13:57         ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-12 23:16           ` Doug Anderson
2025-06-13 10:52             ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-13 16:44               ` Doug Anderson
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 5/7] arch: um: kmsg_dump: Don't check for CON_ENABLED Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-16 13:33   ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-20 15:45     ` John Ogness
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 6/7] debug: kgd_io: " Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-16 13:56   ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-30  0:31     ` Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-07  2:53 ` [PATCH 7/7] printk: Don't check for CON_ENABLED on console_unblank Marcos Paulo de Souza
2025-06-16 14:02   ` Petr Mladek
2025-06-17  9:32     ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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