From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.91] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1-new.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYKbw-00032Z-24 for user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:22:08 -0700 Received: from astra.telenet-ops.be ([195.130.132.58]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1HYKbu-00056H-6r for user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:22:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:22:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Geert Uytterhoeven In-Reply-To: <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <1712880100@web.de> <200704012108.14597.blaisorblade@yahoo.it> <46100EF5.7040802@nagafix.co.uk> <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? List-Id: The user-mode Linux development list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: user-mode-linux-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: user-mode-linux-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net To: Antoine Martin Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Dike , Blaisorblade , user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, devzero@web.de On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Antoine Martin wrote: > Jeff Dike wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: > >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the > >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. > > > > Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you > > don't have now. > Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users > to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without > understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. > We are all capable of setting up Xvfb here, but most users are not, > which is why they download ready-made images. > It would also make it a lot easier to focus on writing a management UI, > hell if there isn't one shortly after, I'll do one myself! > Think of a UML browser image (running IE via wine in a limited image > with just X + wine + IE - I would much prefer that to having wine+IE > installed locally), testing framebuffer apps like gtk-fb/cairo-fb > without risking your dev environment, etc... There are patches floating around for a UML frame buffer device. Gerd Kraxel^H^H^H^H^H^HHoffmann did one using plain X11, which worked great when I gave it a try. A few years ago I tried doing one myself using gdk/gtk, but it didn't work reliably on all systems. My main motivation was doing development for different frame buffer memory organizations (think Amiga and Atari bitplanes) on UML. I suggest taking a look at Gerd's patches. IIRC, he posted them to lkml last year. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV _______________________________________________ User-mode-linux-devel mailing list User-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/user-mode-linux-devel