From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 12:02:04 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/36] printk: Remove trace_.*_rcuidle() usage Message-ID: References: <20220608142723.103523089@infradead.org> <20220608144517.444659212@infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: To: Petr Mladek Cc: ink@jurassic.park.msu.ru, mattst88@gmail.com, vgupta@kernel.org, linux@armlinux.org.uk, ulli.kroll@googlemail.com, linus.walleij@linaro.org, shawnguo@kernel.org, Sascha Hauer , kernel@pengutronix.de, festevam@gmail.com, linux-imx@nxp.com, tony@atomide.com, khilman@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, guoren@kernel.org, bcain@quicinc.com, chenhuacai@kernel.org, kernel@xen0n.name, geert@linux-m68k.org, sammy@sammy.net, monstr@monstr.eu, tsbogend@alpha.franken.de, dinguyen@kernel.org, jonas@southpole.se, stefan.kristiansson@saunalahti.fi, shorne@gmail.com, James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, deller@gmx.de, mpe@ellerman.id.au, benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulus@samba.org, paul.walmsley@sifive.com, palmer@dabbelt.com, aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, hca@linux.ibm.com, gor@linux.ibm.com, agordeev@linux.ibm.com, borntraeger@linux.ibm.com, svens@linux.ibm.com, ysato@users.sourceforge.jp, dalias@libc.org, davem@davemloft.net, richard@nod.at, anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com, johannes@sipsolutions.net, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com, acme@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com, jolsa@kernel.org, namhyung@kernel.org, jgross@suse.com, srivatsa@csail.mit.edu, amakhalov@vmware.com, pv-drivers@vmware.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, chris@zankel.net, jcmvbkbc@gmail.com, rafael@kernel.org, lenb@kernel.org, pavel@ucw.cz, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, mturquette@baylibre.com, sboyd@kernel.org, daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, lpieralisi@kernel.org, sudeep.holla@arm.com, agross@kernel.org, bjorn.andersson@linaro.org, anup@brainfault.org, thierry.reding@gmail.com, jonathanh@nvidia.com, jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com, Arnd Bergmann , yury.norov@gmail.com, andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk, rostedt@goodmis.org, senozhatsky@chromium.org, john.ogness@linutronix.de, paulmck@kernel.org, frederic@kernel.org, quic_neeraju@quicinc.com, josh@joshtriplett.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, jiangshanlai@gmail.com, joel@joelfernandes.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de, bristot@redhat.com, vschneid@redhat.com, jpoimboe@kernel.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-snps-arc@lists.infradead.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-csky@vger.kernel.org, linux-hexagon@vger.kernel.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, openrisc@lists.librecores.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-um@lists.infradead.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-clk@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 11:16:46AM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: > On Wed 2022-06-08 16:27:47, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > The problem, per commit fc98c3c8c9dc ("printk: use rcuidle console > > tracepoint"), was printk usage from the cpuidle path where RCU was > > already disabled. > > > > Per the patches earlier in this series, this is no longer the case. > > My understanding is that this series reduces a lot the amount > of code called with RCU disabled. As a result the particular printk() > call mentioned by commit fc98c3c8c9dc ("printk: use rcuidle console > tracepoint") is called with RCU enabled now. Hence this particular > problem is fixed better way now. > > But is this true in general? > Does this "prevent" calling printk() a safe way in code with > RCU disabled? On x86_64, yes. Other architectures, less so. Specifically, the objtool noinstr validation pass will warn at build time (DEBUG_ENTRY=y) if any noinstr/cpuidle code does a call to non-vetted code like printk(). At the same time; there's a few hacks that allow WARN to work, but mostly if you hit WARN in entry/noinstr you get to keep the pieces in any case. On other architecture we'll need to rely on runtime coverage with PROVE_RCU. That is, if a splat like in the above mentioned commit happens again, we'll need to fix it by adjusting the callchain, not by mucking about with RCU state. > I am not sure if anyone cares. printk() is the best effort > functionality because of the consoles code anyway. Also I wonder > if anyone uses this trace_console(). This is the tracepoint used to spool all of printk into ftrace, I suspect there's users, but I haven't used it myself. > Therefore if this patch allows to remove some tricky tracing > code then it might be worth it. But if trace_console_rcuidle() > variant is still going to be available then I would keep using it. My ultimate goal is to delete trace_.*_rcuidle() and RCU_NONIDLE() entirely. We're close, but not quite there yet.