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From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Oliver Neukum" <oneukum@suse.com>,
	"Colin Braun" <colinbrauncl@gmail.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Mauro Carvalho Chehab" <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	"Colin Braun" <colin.braun.cl@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	driver-core@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/4] rust: usb: add usb host interface and endpoint abstractions
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2026 20:48:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <018687f9-a7ba-4e30-bb3c-25ea6b8f172b@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DJYHI6W0VJ73.NP4QFGU57J50@kernel.org>

On 14.07.26 19:53, Danilo Krummrich wrote:

> Many APIs rely on this, as in they only guarantee valid behavior when called
> from a scope where the device is guaranteed to be bound to a driver, or IOW
> where a driver can prove that it actually operates the device.
> 
> Drivers must only acquire device resources when they are actually bound to the
> corresponding device, and must hand them back before the device is unbound. The
> devres API, for instance, exists for this fundamental reason.
> 
> For instance, we can't have drivers manage IRQs, mess with I/O memory, program
> IOMMU page tables (e.g. through DMA APIs), etc. for devices they are not bound
> to and hence are not allowed to operate (anymore).
> 
> Those device resources all have a lifetime that is tied to the lifetime of the
> device being bound to a driver.

Understood. Unfortunately this does not map straightforwardly to the USB API.
Usbcore tells a driver via corresponding opeations when IO has to cease
(and other operations should be performed) and when it is allowed again.

Being probed and unbound is merely one of them. Nor does this really
tell you anything about the device driver.

	Regards
		Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-14 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-12 21:07 [RFC PATCH 0/4] rust: usb: add usb request block abstractions and a user Colin Braun
2026-07-12 21:07 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] rust: usb: add USB ch9 standard descriptors and constants Colin Braun
2026-07-12 21:07 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] rust: usb: add usb host interface and endpoint abstractions Colin Braun
2026-07-13 13:22   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-13 20:03     ` Colin Braun
2026-07-13 20:09       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-14  9:26         ` Oliver Neukum
2026-07-14 13:05           ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-14 16:26             ` Alan Stern
2026-07-14 17:53               ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-14 18:48                 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2026-07-14 18:57                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-14 19:25                 ` Alan Stern
2026-07-15  0:27                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-14 17:57               ` Oliver Neukum
2026-07-14 19:03                 ` Alan Stern
2026-07-14 18:26               ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-12 21:08 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] rust: usb: add urb abstraction with control and isochronous support Colin Braun
2026-07-12 21:08 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] media: add gv-usb2 audio capture driver Colin Braun
2026-07-13 14:44   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-13 21:08     ` Colin Braun
2026-07-13 13:22 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] rust: usb: add usb request block abstractions and a user Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-13 20:10   ` Colin Braun
2026-07-13 13:53 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-07-13 20:32   ` Colin Braun
2026-07-15  2:35     ` Daniel Almeida
2026-07-15  5:43       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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