From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>,
Dennis Dalessandro <dennis.dalessandro@cornelisnetworks.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
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Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
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cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/19] fs: release anon dev_t in deactivate_locked_super
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:02:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230914-munkeln-pelzmantel-3e3a761acb72@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230914053843.GI800259@ZenIV>
> Christoph, could you explain what the hell do we need that for? It does
> create the race in question and AFAICS 2c18a63b760a (and followups trying
> to plug holes in it) had been nothing but headache.
>
> Old logics: if mount attempt with a different fs type happens, -EBUSY
> is precisely corrent - we would've gotten just that if mount() came
> before umount(). If the type matches, we might
> 1) come before deactivate_locked_super() by umount(2).
> No problem, we succeed.
> 2) come after the beginning of shutdown, but before the
> removal from the list; fine, we'll wait for the sucker to be
> unlocked (which happens in the end of generic_shutdown_super()),
> notice it's dead and create a new superblock. Since the only
> part left on the umount side is closing the device, we are
> just fine.
> 3) come after the removal from the list. So we won't
> wait for the old superblock to be unlocked, other than that
> it's exactly the same as (2). It doesn't matter whether we
> open the device before or after close by umount - same owner
> anyway, no -EBUSY.
>
> Your "owner shall be the superblock" breaks that...
>
> If you want to mess with _three_-way split of ->kill_sb(),
> please start with writing down the rules re what should
> go into each of those parts; such writeup should go into
> Documentation/filesystems/porting anyway, even if the
> split is a two-way one, BTW.
Hm, I think that characterization of Christoph's changes is a bit harsh.
Yes, you're right that making the superblock and not the filesytem type
the bd_holder changes the logic and we are aware of that of course. And
it requires changes such as moving additional block device closing from
where some callers currently do it.
But the filesytem type is not a very useful holder itself and has other
drawbacks. The obvious one being that it requires us to wade through all
superblocks on the system trying to find the superblock associated with
a given block device continously grabbing and dropping sb_lock and
s_umount. None of that is very pleasant nor elegant and it is for sure
not very easy to understand (Plus, it's broken for btrfs freezing and
syncing via block level ioctls.).
Using the superblock as holder makes this go away and is overall a lot
more useful and intuitive and can be extended to filesystems with
multiple devices (Of which we apparently are bound to get more.).
So I think this change is worth the pain.
It's a fair point that these lifetime rules should be documented in
Documentation/filesystems/. The old lifetime documentation is too sparse
to be useful though.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-14 14:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-13 11:09 split up ->kill_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:09 ` [PATCH 01/19] fs: reflow deactivate_locked_super Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 16:35 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-26 9:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:09 ` [PATCH 02/19] fs: make ->kill_sb optional Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:09 ` [PATCH 03/19] fs: release anon dev_t in deactivate_locked_super Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 23:27 ` Al Viro
2023-09-14 2:37 ` Al Viro
2023-09-14 5:38 ` Al Viro
2023-09-14 7:56 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-26 9:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-14 14:02 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-09-14 16:58 ` Al Viro
2023-09-14 19:23 ` Al Viro
2023-09-15 7:40 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-15 9:44 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-15 14:12 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-15 14:28 ` Al Viro
2023-09-15 14:33 ` Al Viro
2023-09-15 14:40 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-26 9:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-26 9:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-26 21:25 ` Al Viro
2023-09-27 22:29 ` Al Viro
2023-10-02 6:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-09 21:57 ` Al Viro
2023-10-10 8:44 ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-17 19:50 ` Al Viro
2023-09-13 11:09 ` [PATCH 04/19] NFS: remove the s_dev field from struct nfs_server Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:09 ` [PATCH 05/19] fs: assign an anon dev_t in common code Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-14 0:34 ` Al Viro
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 06/19] qibfs: use simple_release_fs Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-18 11:41 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 07/19] hypfs: use d_genocide to kill fs entries Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 08/19] pstore: shrink the pstore_sb_lock critical section in pstore_kill_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 22:07 ` Kees Cook
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 09/19] zonefs: remove duplicate cleanup in zonefs_fill_super Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-14 0:33 ` Damien Le Moal
2023-09-14 0:49 ` Al Viro
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 10/19] USB: gadget/legacy: remove sb_mutex Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 16:10 ` Alan Stern
2023-09-26 9:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-14 10:22 ` Sergey Shtylyov
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 11/19] fs: add new shutdown_sb and free_sb methods Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-14 2:07 ` Al Viro
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 12/19] fs: convert kill_litter_super to litter_shutdown_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 22:07 ` Kees Cook
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 13/19] fs: convert kill_block_super to block_free_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-14 2:29 ` Al Viro
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 14/19] jffs2: convert to ->shutdown_sb and ->free_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 15/19] kernfs: split ->kill_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-18 15:24 ` Michal Koutný
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 16/19] x86/resctrl: release rdtgroup_mutex and the CPU hotplug lock in rdt_shutdown_sb Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 17/19] NFS: move nfs_kill_super to fs_context.c Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 18/19] fs: simple ->shutdown_sb and ->free_sb conversions Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-13 11:10 ` [PATCH 19/19] fs: remove ->kill_sb Christoph Hellwig
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