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From: Wesley Cheng <quic_wcheng@quicinc.com>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 00/34] Introduce QC USB SND audio offloading support
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:25:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <366d50fa-500f-e884-d48a-197e65bb2fb7@quicinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9942bb93-31ea-4574-940f-98d87a2fc127@linux.intel.com>

Hi Pierre,

On 10/17/2023 1:58 PM, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> It's been a very long time since I reviewed earlier versions, and I am
> still lost on terminology and concepts. The explanations below should
> really be added as a .rst file in Documentation for reference, not just
> as a cover letter.
> 

Thanks for the review!

Sure, maybe I can write a more comprehensive documentation that saves 
these details somewhere.  Will add a RST documentation for material 
where necessary.

>> Several Qualcomm based chipsets can support USB audio offloading to a
>> dedicated audio DSP, which can take over issuing transfers to the USB
>> host controller.  The intention is to reduce the load on the main
>> processors in the SoC, and allow them to be placed into lower power modes.
>> There are several parts to this design:
>>    1. Adding ASoC binding layer
>>    2. Create a USB backend for Q6DSP
> 
> "backend" is a loaded terms for ASoC. Can you clarify which part of the
> ascii art below is a 'backend'?
> 

This would be the Q6USB entity which is the DPCM backend for this 
particular audio path.

>>    3. Introduce XHCI interrupter support
>>    4. Create vendor ops for the USB SND driver
>>
>>        USB                          |            ASoC
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                                     |  _________________________
>>                                     | |sm8250 platform card     |
>>                                     | |_________________________|
>>                                     |         |           |
>>                                     |      ___V____   ____V____
>>                                     |     |Q6USB   | |Q6AFE    |
>>                                     |     |"codec" | |"cpu"    |
>>                                     |     |________| |_________|
>>                                     |         ^  ^        ^
>>                                     |         |  |________|
>>                                     |      ___V____    |
>>                                     |     |SOC-USB |   |
>>     ________       ________               |        |   |
>>    |USB SND |<--->|QC offld|<------------>|________|   |
>>    |(card.c)|     |        |<----------                |
>>    |________|     |________|___     | |                |
>>        ^               ^       |    | |    ____________V_________
>>        |               |       |    | |   |APR/GLINK             |
>>     __ V_______________V_____  |    | |   |______________________|
>>    |USB SND (endpoint.c)     | |    | |              ^
>>    |_________________________| |    | |              |
>>                ^               |    | |   ___________V___________
>>                |               |    | |->|audio DSP              |
>>     ___________V_____________  |    |    |_______________________|
>>    |XHCI HCD                 |<-    |
>>    |_________________________|      |
>>
>>
>> Adding ASoC binding layer:
>> soc-usb: Intention is to treat a USB port similar to a headphone jack.
> 
> What is a 'port'? USB refers to "interfaces" and "endpoints". Is a
> "port" a 1:1 mapping to "endpoint"?
> 
> Below I read "AFE port" so not sure what concepts refer to what.
> 

"Port" in this explanation refers to the USB port.  So the audio device 
connected.  You are right that a USB device can enumerate w/ multiple 
interfaces (ie UAC + HID + ...) so the closest relation to "port" is 
"interface."  It is not a 1:1 mapping w/ the number of endpoints exposed 
by a device.

"AFE port" is just something that has been termed from the audio DSP 
end, so that concept of port is not related to the port where USB 
devices are connected to.  This is something that is defined within the 
audio DSP.

>> The port is always present on the device, but cable/pin status can be
>> enabled/disabled.  Expose mechanisms for USB backend ASoC drivers to
>> communicate with USB SND.
>>
>> Create a USB backend for Q6DSP:
>> q6usb: Basic backend driver that will be responsible for maintaining the
> 
> The asciiart above suggests that q6usb exposes a codec DAI - but the
> backend dailink is created by the platform card?
> 

That is my understanding, at least.  The machine driver (sm8250.c) has 
an API that parses our DT node for the DAI relationships 
(qcom_snd_parse_of()), and seems to also create the dailinks.

>> resources needed to initiate a playback stream using the Q6DSP.  Will
> 
> is capture supported? there's explicit references to "num_capture" in
> following patches.
> 

We (QCOM) do not support capture at the moment, but the num_capture was 
added to the soc-usb driver, which is platform independent.  This is in 
case other vendors want to add this support, but have capture included 
as well.

>> be the entity that checks to make sure the connected USB audio device
>> supports the requested PCM format.  If it does not, the PCM open call will
>> fail, and userpsace ALSA can take action accordingly.
>>
>> Introduce XHCI interrupter support:
>> XHCI HCD supports multiple interrupters, which allows for events to be routed
>> to different event rings.  This is determined by "Interrupter Target" field
>> specified in Section "6.4.1.1 Normal TRB" of the XHCI specification.
>>
>> Events in the offloading case will be routed to an event ring that is assigned
>> to the audio DSP.
>>
>> Create vendor ops for the USB SND driver:
>> qc_audio_offload: This particular driver has several components associated
>> with it:
>> - QMI stream request handler
>> - XHCI interrupter and resource management
>> - audio DSP memory management
>>
>> When the audio DSP wants to enable a playback stream, the request is first
>> received by the ASoC platform sound card.  Depending on the selected route,
>> ASoC will bring up the individual DAIs in the path.  The Q6USB backend DAI
>> will send an AFE port start command (with enabling the USB playback path), and
>> the audio DSP will handle the request accordingly.
> 
> what about capture, e.g. for a headset?
> 

Not supported yet at the moment.

>> Part of the AFE USB port start handling will have an exchange of control
>> messages using the QMI protocol.  The qc_audio_offload driver will populate the
>> buffer information:
>> - Event ring base address
>> - EP transfer ring base address
>>
>> and pass it along to the audio DSP.  All endpoint management will now be handed
>> over to the DSP, and the main processor is not involved in transfers.
>>
>> Overall, implementing this feature will still expose separate sound card and PCM
>> devices for both the platorm card and USB audio device:
> 
> typo: platform
> 

Thanks, will fix this.

>>   0 [SM8250MTPWCD938]: sm8250 - SM8250-MTP-WCD9380-WSA8810-VA-D
>>                        SM8250-MTP-WCD9380-WSA8810-VA-DMIC
> 
> How do you plan on exposing the USB PCM device?
> 
> The lines above are really cryptic, and with no USB reference in any of
> the short/long card names it's not obvious that this card is different
> from the no-offload case, is it?
> 

In the end, since the offload case is handled by the audio DSP, it would 
have to go through the platform/machine sound card.  That is the sm8250 
device above.

>>   1 [Audio          ]: USB-Audio - USB Audio
>>                        Generic USB Audio at usb-xhci-hcd.1.auto-1.4, high speed
> 
> likewise some sort of qualifier would be useful to show that card 0 and
> card 1 can target the same USB endpoints.
> 

Do userspace entities look at this card string?  Assuming there is only 
one platform card, there are situations where maybe multiple USB audio 
devices are connected to the same USB root hub, so offloading can happen 
on any one of them (not at the same time).

Thanks
Wesley Cheng

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-18  0:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-17 20:00 [PATCH v9 00/34] Introduce QC USB SND audio offloading support Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 01/34] xhci: split free interrupter into separate remove and free parts Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 02/34] xhci: add support to allocate several interrupters Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 03/34] xhci: add helper to stop endpoint and wait for completion Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 04/34] xhci: sideband: add initial api to register a sideband entity Wesley Cheng
2023-10-25  3:24   ` Albert Wang
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 05/34] usb: host: xhci-mem: Cleanup pending secondary event ring events Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 06/34] usb: host: xhci-mem: Allow for interrupter clients to choose specific index Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 07/34] ASoC: Add SOC USB APIs for adding an USB backend Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 21:48   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18  2:07     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 08/34] ASoC: dt-bindings: qcom,q6dsp-lpass-ports: Add USB_RX port Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 09/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Introduce USB AFE port to q6dsp Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 21:32   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18  1:45     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-18 13:47       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 19:36         ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-19  1:00           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19 18:42             ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 10/34] ASoC: qdsp6: q6afe: Increase APR timeout Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 11/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add USB backend ASoC driver for Q6 Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 21:46   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 12/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Introduce USB SND platform op callbacks Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 13/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Export USB SND APIs for modules Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 14/34] dt-bindings: usb: xhci: Add num-hc-interrupters definition Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 15/34] dt-bindings: usb: dwc3: Limit " Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 16/34] usb: dwc3: Specify maximum number of XHCI interrupters Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 17/34] usb: host: xhci-plat: Set XHCI max interrupters if property is present Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 18/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Add USB QMI definitions Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 19/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Introduce QC USB SND offloading support Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:21   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 20/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Check for support for requested audio format Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:29   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:21     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 21/34] ASoC: usb: Add PCM format check API for USB backend Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:33   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:33     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 22/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Ensure PCM format is supported by USB audio device Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 23/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Prevent starting of audio stream if in use Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:37   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:33     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 24/34] ASoC: dt-bindings: Add Q6USB backend Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 25/34] ASoC: dt-bindings: Update example for enabling USB offload on SM8250 Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 26/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: q6afe: Split USB AFE dev_token param into separate API Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:39   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  0:10     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 27/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Populate PCM and USB chip information Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:41   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  0:59     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 28/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add support to track available USB PCM devices Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:43   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  1:00     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 29/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add SND kcontrol to select offload device Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:50   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  1:39     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 30/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add SND kcontrol for fetching offload status Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:53   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  1:41     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-19 19:25       ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-19 20:39         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 31/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add headphone jack for offload connection status Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:03   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 32/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Use card and PCM index from QMI request Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 33/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Allow for rediscovery of connected USB SND devices Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:07   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 34/34] ASoC: usb: Rediscover USB SND devices on USB port add Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:11   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-23 21:54     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-24 13:35       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-25 22:31         ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:58 ` [PATCH v9 00/34] Introduce QC USB SND audio offloading support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18  0:25   ` Wesley Cheng [this message]
2023-10-18 13:54     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:20       ` Wesley Cheng

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