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Bug ID: 219111
Summary: Xone:23C mixer not recognized as a 2in/2out device
Product: Drivers
Version: 2.5
Hardware: All
OS: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P3
Component: USB
Assignee: drivers_usb@kernel-bugs.kernel.org
Reporter: com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr
Regression: No
Created attachment 306638
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dmesg
The problem is very similar to
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217089: the Xone:23C is supposed to
be a 2 stereo input/2 stereo outputs but only 1 in and 1 out show under Linux
(Windows with related drivers installs show the correct amount of in/out).
Trying to set bConfigurationValue, either by editing
/sys/bus/usb/devices/1-9/bConfigurationValue by hand or using a udev rule won't
work:
# echo 2 >
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.3/0000:01:00.0/usb1/1-2/bConfigurationValue
bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
Please find enclosed with this ticket, the relevant journalctl, dmsg, lsusb and
`cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/usbmon/1u` of the moment I plug the device.
Reproduced on a Fedora 40 with kernel 6.9.11.
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Created attachment 306639
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journalctl -f
journalctl -f produce when the deviced it plugged
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Created attachment 306640
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cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/usbmon/1u
result of `cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/usbmon/1u` after device is plugged.
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Created attachment 306641
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lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~
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--- Comment #4 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Note: I also tried the `echo Y
>/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first`, unplugged the deviced,
restarted the device and restarted the computer but the device still appears as
a 1 stereo in/1 stereo out.
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Restarting the computer erases the old_scheme_first setting. You have to do
the echo Y thing _after_ restarting the computer and _before_ plugging in the
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Ah dear, yes, you're right… But there's no way to get it to work out of the box
without the old_scheme_first setting?
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--- Comment #7 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
I don't know of any way. The device has a very unusual, non-standard behavior.
Also, I don't know how Windows handles it. Maybe there's some way to tell the
device to reset itself back to the original two configurations without
unplugging it.
Are you able to test a patch?
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Sure I can do that.
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Created attachment 306649
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Skip second reset if the maxpacket size is large enough
See if this change makes any difference. The patch is against kernel version
6.10; if it doesn't apply to your kernel tree, let me know what version to base
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Can you patch against the 6.9.11? That's the most recent source RPM in Fedora's
repo and I'm safer using the RPM to build and install the kernel.
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Created attachment 306650
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skip-2nd-reset patched on 6.9.11
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Or rather: I addapted your patch on the 6.9.11 RPM I have. Can you confirm that
the diff is good?
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--- Comment #13 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
Yes, the adapted diff looks okay. Have you tried testing it?
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The kernel is compiling as we speak.
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Hmm… The patch is not working but it doesn't mean anything. I think I messed
something up while compiling the RPM. Can you confirm me that this patch will
end up in the vmlinuz binary? Can I add a print statement somewhere that will
show in journalctl or demsg that will confirm me that I am indeed running the
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--- Comment #16 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
Created attachment 306656
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Add debug info for skipping second reset patch
Apply this patch on top of the previous one. It will print a message to the
kernel log when the new code takes effect.
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--- Comment #17 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
I'm sorry, I'm a bit stuck here. The kernel I compiled doesn't correctly boot.
It gets stuck at the systemd cryptsetup (luks) stage which failes (both / and
/home are encrypted) and nothing gets logged to systemd, the boot to this
kernel is not event listed in `journalctl --list-boots`. How can I debug this?
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--- Comment #18 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Ok, so I finally managed to correclty install and run the patched kernel and it
appears your patch doesn't work. Here's the journalctl trace from when I plug
the mixer:
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new high-speed USB device number 7
using xhci_hcd
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Patch applied
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Skipped second reset
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: New USB device found,
idVendor=22f0, idProduct=0008, bcdDevice= 2.00
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1,
Product=2, SerialNumber=3
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Product: Xone:23C
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Manufacturer: Allen&Heath
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: SerialNumber: no serial number
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: 1:2 : UAC_AS_GENERAL descriptor not
found
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: 2:2 : UAC_AS_GENERAL descriptor not
found
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Quirk or no altset; falling back to
MIDI 1.0
août 04 17:32:42 localhost mtp-probe[5421]: checking bus 1, device 7:
"/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.3/0000:01:00.0/usb1/1-2"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost mtp-probe[5421]: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP
device
août 04 17:32:42 localhost (udev-worker)[5420]: 1-2:
/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/69-mixxx-usb-uaccess.rules:19 Failed to write
ATTR{/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.3/0000:01:00.0/usb1/1-2/bConfigurationValue},
ignoring: Invalid argument
août 04 17:32:42 localhost mtp-probe[5443]: checking bus 1, device 7:
"/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.3/0000:01:00.0/usb1/1-2"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost mtp-probe[5443]: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP
device
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kded6[3384]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for name
"alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost plasmashell[3409]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for
name "alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kded6[3384]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for name
"alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost plasmashell[3409]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for
name "alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kded6[3384]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for name
"alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kded6[3384]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for name
"alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost plasmashell[3409]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for
name "alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost plasmashell[3409]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for
name "alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kded6[3384]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for name
"alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost plasmashell[3409]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for
name "alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost kded6[3384]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for name
"alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
août 04 17:32:42 localhost plasmashell[3409]: org.kde.pulseaudio: No object for
name "alsa_output.pci-0000_08_00.4.analog-stereo.monitor"
You can see the *Patch applied* log which is a line I added to ensure I was
indeed running the patched kernel and the *Skipped second reset* line that
indicates the `if (maxp0 <= 18)` was skipped but udev still fails to apply the
`bConfigurationValue` rule.
If you want to test another patch, I now know how to do.
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--- Comment #19 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
For now, I can't think of any other patches to try.
If you have a Windows system, you could do a USB packet capture (using
Wireshark, for example). That might give an indication of how the device is
meant to work.
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--- Comment #20 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306667
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USB traffic capture occuring when pluggin the Xone:23C
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--- Comment #21 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
I did the previous capture. Does that help you?
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--- Comment #22 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
It doesn't help. It shows that the device provides one input and one output
stream, plus a MIDI connection -- no more. And it also shows the device claims
to have only one configuration, not two. (Plus it shows Windows setting the
data rates to 44100 samples per second, whereas your earlier Linux usbmon trace
showed the data rates being set to 48000 samples per second, but I assume this
doesn't matter much.)
Are you certain that the device has two input and two output streams under
Windows? The USB packet capture gives no indication of it.
Also, how does the device behave under Linux if you set the old_scheme_first
parameter to Y? In comment #6 you didn't say.
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--- Comment #23 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Yes, the device shows as a 2 in/2 out under Windows but only with the driver
installed. Otherwise, it shows as a 1 in/1 out like on Linux with
`old_scheme_first` to `N`. And yes, the device do appear as a 2 in/2 out under
Linux with `old_scheme_first` set to yes.
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--- Comment #24 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
May the usbmon trace with `old_scheme_first` to `Y` help you?
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--- Comment #25 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
Did you do the Windows packet capture with the driver installed? It does not
look like you did (because the capture log shows only 1 in/1 out), but that's
what I need to see.
I do not need a usbmon trace with old_scheme_first set to Y.
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--- Comment #26 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306675
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Presentation of the device's inputs in Mixxx
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--- Comment #27 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Wait is there a difference in the protocol between 2 stereo in and one 4
channels in? See the picture I just uploaded. This is what the devices inputs
look like in Mixxx under Windows, with the driver installed (the Wireshark
trace in the same).
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--- Comment #28 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
As I understand it, each audio channel gets transported over its own USB
endpoint. (This is true for both mono channels and stereo channels.) So two
stereo-in channels require two endpoints, and two stereo-out channels would
require an additional two endpoints. Similarly, four in channels would require
four endpoints.
Maybe my understanding is wrong; I'll have to read through the USB Audio Class
specification to make sure.
The usbmon trace and the Wireshark log you attached both mention only two
endpoints.
Can you get a Wireshark trace showing what happens when you transmit or receive
data over two in channels and two out channels (so using four endpoints) all at
the same time?
Also, can you attach a copy of the "lsusb -v" output for the device when it is
attached with old_scheme_first set to Y?
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--- Comment #29 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306676
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lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008 with old_scheme_first set to Y
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--- Comment #30 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
I also recorded 2 minutes of USB traffic with music going in and out all the
channels using Mixxx but it weights ~60Mio. Where can I upload this?
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--- Comment #31 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
2 minutes is way more than I need; 1 second would be more than enough. Just
the first 100 KB of data should be sufficient. You should be able to attach it
to this bug report.
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--- Comment #32 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306682
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Xone 23C Wireshark capture with audio passing through USB
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--- Comment #33 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Here it is. I hope it help. Otherwise I guess I'll have to ship you the device.
Is it doable?
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--- Comment #34 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
BTW, I [can see
here](https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2106.0/02532.html) a similar
problem seems to affect the Xone:43C.
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--- Comment #35 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306699
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lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008 with old_scheme_first set to N
For comparison with what's lsusb outputs when old_scheme_first set to Y
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--- Comment #36 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
It looks like the Xone:23C can operate in two different modes, and it decides
during the initial startup which mode it will use. The first mode (what you
get with old_scheme_first=N) exposes a single configuration, which has a USB
audio class 1 interface and 2-channel stereo in/out.
The second mode (what you get with old_scheme_first=Y) exposes two
configurations. The first config is the same as the one described above, but
the second config has a USB audio class 2 interface with 4-channel "stereo"
in/out.
The problem is how to make the device go into its second mode. Your Windows
packet captures don't show this happening. In fact, they do show the device in
its first mode, using the only configuration in that mode, so it shouldn't be
doing 4-channel I/O at all! I don't understand that.
The only way we know to put the device into the second mode is to set
old_scheme_first to Y. Maybe this doesn't have to be done before the device
initially starts up; you may find that resetting the device while
old_scheme_first is Y will cause it to go into the second mode, even if it was
in the first mode before. You could try that to see if it works. If it does,
the kernel could be changed to make this happen automatically.
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--- Comment #37 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
The mixer driver s an ASIO driver and Mixxx uses ASIO as primary sound API.
Maybe that's the reason? Maybe the driver don't even interrogate the device
about its configuration because it already knows it and what we can see in he
Wireshark dump is Windows interrogating the device not using the ASIO driver?
Can you elaborate what old_scheme_first does?
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--- Comment #38 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
It's more than just the driver knowing what configuration to use. The device
has to be _told_ to use that configuration; until it is told it won't use any
configuration at all and won't function. Your usbmon traces and Windows packet
captures all show the computer telling the device to use configuration 1. (If
you made a usbmon trace with old_scheme_first=Y, presumably it would show the
computer telling the device to use configuration 2.)
The configuration matters because the data sent over the USB connection is
formatted differently depending on the number of channels. No matter what the
driver may know about the possible configs, as long as the device is using
config 1, it will provide only two-channel stereo. And as long as it is using
config 2, it will provide only four-channel stereo.
The difference between the old scheme and the new scheme is rather technical.
It has to do with how the device is initialized when it is first plugged in
(and also whenever it gets reset).
With the old scheme, after performing an initial reset the computer asks the
device to send just the first 8 bytes of its device descriptor, then the
computer tells the device what address to use, and then it reads the complete
device descriptor and all the other descriptors.
With the new scheme, after performing the initial reset the computer asks the
device to send the first 64 bytes of its device descriptor. Since the device
descriptor is only 18 bytes long, the response is always a short one. The
computer then resets the device a second time, tells it what address to use,
and reads all the descriptors. (That's why I thought skipping the second reset
might cause the device to make both configurations available, like it does with
the old scheme.)
The old scheme is what the USB 2.0 specification recommends. The new scheme is
what Microsoft implemented early on, however, and as a result quite a few
devices would work with the new scheme but not the old one. In theory any
device should work properly with either scheme, but in practice they don't
always do so. As in this case.
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--- Comment #39 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
> In fact, they do show the device in its first mode, using the only configuration in that mode, so it shouldn't be doing 4-channel I/O at all! I don't understand that.
Maybe I messed up the Wireshark capture in some way?
> you may find that resetting the device while old_scheme_first is Y will cause it to go into the second mode, even if it was in the first mode before. You could try that to see if it works.
How can I do that?
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--- Comment #40 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
I don't think you messed up the Wireshark capture. But I can't tell what
happened.
You can reset the device by using the usbreset program, which is part of the
usbutils package. Some distributions (such as Ubuntu) include it whereas
others (such as Fedora) don't. But if you don't have it, you can get the
source code from https://github.com/gregkh/usbutils/ and build it yourself.
The idea is that you start with old_scheme_first set to N, plug in the device,
check that bNumConfigurations is 1 in the "lsusb -v" output, set
old_scheme_first to Y, and then use usbreset to reset the device. If
bNumConfigurations changes to 2, you'll know that the reset caused the device
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--- Comment #41 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
> The idea is that you start with old_scheme_first set to N, plug in the device, check that bNumConfigurations is 1 in the "lsusb -v" output, set old_scheme_first to Y, and then use usbreset to reset the device. If bNumConfigurations changes to 2, you'll know that the reset caused the device to go into its other mode.
Unhopefully, that doesn't seem to work. I really need to turn off/turn on the
device to get the proper `bConfigurationValue`s
```
# echo N >/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
# cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
N
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
bConfigurationValue 1
# echo Y >/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
# cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
Y
# usbreset 22f0:0008
Resetting Xone:23C ... ok
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
bConfigurationValue 1
## Here, I unplug the device without restarting it
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
bConfigurationValue 1
## Here, I restart the device without unplugging it
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
bConfigurationValue 1
bConfigurationValue 2
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"Unplug" is clear enough. What do you mean by "restarting" the device? Is
this something the kernel could do automatically? Would a usbmon trace of a
restart show anything useful?
What happens if you restart the device while old_scheme_first is N?
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--- Comment #43 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
By restarting I mean turning off and on again, using the power button.
> What happens if you restart the device while old_scheme_first is N?
Not much:
# echo N >/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
# cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first
N
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
bConfigurationValue 1
## Here I turn offf and on again
# lsusb -v -d 22f0:0008~ | grep bConfiguration
bConfigurationValue 1
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--- Comment #44 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
It looks like Linux is unable to discover all possible configurations using new
scheme. BTW, do I understand `old_scheme_first` correctly? Linux will try
*both* old and new scheme but only the order changes? Then in which cas does
the other scheme is tried?
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--- Comment #45 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
It's a little unfair to say that the kernel is unable to discover all the
configurations. It's more accurate to say that the device tells the kernel
there is only one configuration.
Yes, the kernel tries both initialization schemes if necessary, changing from
one scheme to the other if the first scheme doesn't work. old_scheme_first
merely determines which scheme gets tried first.
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--- Comment #46 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
> It's a little unfair to say that the kernel is unable to discover all the configurations
I didn't meant to undermine the work of the kernel devs, I'm sorry.
> the kernel tries both initialization schemes if necessary, changing from one scheme to the other if the first scheme doesn't work.
What do you mean by "*doesn't work*" here? Does discovering a configuration
(but only one) counts as working?
Is there a way for me to try to replicate bith scheme steps manually?
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--- Comment #47 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
The two schemes are methods for initializing the device. This happens before
the configuration information is transferred, because the kernel can't
communicate with the device until it has been initialized.
The scheme works if the kernel is able to communicate without getting any
errors. If the device then says it has only one configuration, the kernel will
believe it.
While it is possible in theory to replicate the initialization schemes
manually, in practice it would be very difficult and it would require a large
amount of programming. If you want to experiment with the schemes, by far the
easiest way is to patch the kernel to make it do what you want.
For example, you could change the kernel so that when it encounters a device
with the Xone:23C's vendor and product IDs, it sets the number of
configurations to 2. Then it would ask the device to transfer the information
for both configs. But most likely the device would refuse to send the
information for the second config, because it is still in its
single-configuration mode.
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--- Comment #48 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
OK. Is there anything left we can try to improve the situation without
resorting to use the `usbcore.old_scheme_first=1` kernel param?
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--- Comment #49 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
I can't think of anything else to try. Except maybe to get some helpful
information from the manufacturer.
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--- Comment #50 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306707
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Working patch with old_scheme_first set to N
So I did what you suggested and got this code that works. Turns out the device
expects to be provided an adress before being requested a descriptor.
I don't know what to do about it though…
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--- Comment #51 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
(Working means it detects the correct number of possible configurations with
new scheme but that code breaks the USB protocol on my computer)
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--- Comment #52 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
There isn't really anything we can do to help. We can't change the existing
behavior very much without running the risk that a lot of other devices will
stop working.
One thing we could do is create a special case that would add extra handling
for the Xone:23C. But the kernel can't tell that the device is an Xone:23C
before asking for the device descriptor, so that won't help.
I still wonder how Windows manages to make the device work. The packet
captures from Wireshark don't show everything that's going on.
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--- Comment #53 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
Created attachment 306709
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Second try to capture USB packets on Windows with Wireshark
Ok, I really think I messed up the first Wireshark capture and I captured
something else. This capture seems to make much more sense as I can see the
device identify itself as an Allen&Heath product. Tell me if t provides more
useful informations.
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--- Comment #54 from CH (com+bugzilla-kernel@c-henry.fr) ---
I think I can see from this capture that it still declares
`bConfigurationValue` == 1 but also declares several interfaces in the GET
DESCRIPTOR Response CONFIRURATION packet of size 322. What does it declare
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--- Comment #55 from Alan Stern (stern@rowland.harvard.edu) ---
The really important thing is bNumConfigurations. If it is set to 1 then the
device doesn't make config 2 available, but if it is set to 2 then the device
does make config 2 available (even if the computer decides to use config 1).
The configuration descriptor includes four interfaces. Interface 0 is the
audio control interface; it describes two USB terminals (one in, one out) and
two audio terminals (one in, one out). It also says that the input terminals
each have 2 channels (regular stereo).
Interfaces 1 and 2 are for audio streaming. Interface 1 is the USB-out
connection; it runs at 48000 Hz with 24-bit samples, it can be synchronized to
a clock on the device, and it can also operate in a vendor-specific way.
Interface 2 is the USB-in connection; it also runs at 48000 Hz with 24-bit
samples and it also has a vendor-specific alternate setting.
Interface 3 is for MIDI. As far as I can see, you aren't using it.
The packet capture shows the computer issuing a few vendor-specific requests.
I have no way to know what they mean, but they involve getting data from the
device, not sending data to the device. So they probably don't affect the way
the device operates.
The thing we really need to know is how the Windows driver tells the device to
switch to configuration 2. I haven't seen anything in the packet captures that
show how it does this. (However, the most recent capture shows that at the
361-second mark, the computer deconfigures the device and the sets it back to
configuration 1. I can't tell why that happened.)
Or maybe the Windows driver uses the vendor-specific alternate settings rather
than the standard USB audio class settings. The packet captures don't show the
computer telling the device which alternate setting to use. This must happen,
because the default setting uses no bandwidth and transfers no audio data, but
it doesn't show up in the packet captures. (It does show up in the usbmon
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One thing you could try is to submit a help request on the Allen & Heath web
site. They might be able to provide some useful information.
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