From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
To: Mike Lothian <mike@fireburn.co.uk>, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] rust: usb: keep usb::Device private and gate transfers on Interface<Bound>
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2026 11:45:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fddbeaed-ff21-4962-b09f-d975c96cd926@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260703030020.2694-11-mike@fireburn.co.uk>
On 03.07.26 05:00, Mike Lothian wrote:
> Address the v1 RFC review (Danilo Krummrich):
>
> - Do not make `usb::Device` public. Writing a `usb::Interface` driver should
> not require naming the underlying `usb::Device` (cf. commit 22d693e45d4a
> ("rust: usb: keep usb::Device private for now")), so the struct is
> private again and the device-wide transfer operations are exposed on
> the interface.
Hi,
I would say that this is just conceptually wrong.
1. drivers talk to the common control endpoint of the _device_
not their interface
2. drivers ought to be able to set a configuration (That's a device property)
3. Drivers need to be able to claim secondary interfaces (we have an API for that)
4. Devices and links (and functions) have states, not interfaces.
These operations operate on the device level. Hiding that fact behind an
interface (which may not even be accepted at that point) is just a layering
violation. Even calling a device reset through an interface is strictly speaking
wrong.
We even have a driver that can ride piggyback on another driver's interface
and use only control transfers to endpoint 0.
This patch is fundamentally flawed because it operates on assumptions
that are just not true. USB does device level operations. Just drop it.
Regards
Oliver
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-06 9:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-17 14:59 [RFC PATCH 0/9] rust: usb: synchronous bulk/control transfers + helpers Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] rust: usb: add synchronous bulk transfer support Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 16:07 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] rust: usb: add synchronous control " Mike Lothian
2026-06-22 9:54 ` Oliver Neukum
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] rust: usb: add usb::Device::set_interface() Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] rust: usb: add usb::Interface::number() Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] rust: usb: add usb::Device::clear_halt() Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] rust: usb: add usb::Device::interrupt_recv() Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] rust: usb: add usb::Device::reset_configuration() Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] rust: usb: add an asynchronous persistently-queued bulk IN reader Mike Lothian
2026-06-17 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] rust: usb: add an asynchronous pipelined bulk OUT queue Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] rust: usb: synchronous + asynchronous bulk/control transfers + helpers Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/11] rust: usb: add synchronous bulk transfer support Mike Lothian
2026-07-06 9:17 ` Oliver Neukum
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] rust: usb: add synchronous control " Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/11] rust: usb: add usb::Device::set_interface() Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/11] rust: usb: add usb::Interface::number() Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/11] rust: usb: add usb::Device::clear_halt() Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/11] rust: usb: add usb::Device::interrupt_recv() Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/11] rust: usb: add usb::Device::reset_configuration() Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/11] rust: usb: add an asynchronous persistently-queued bulk IN reader Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/11] rust: usb: add an asynchronous pipelined bulk OUT queue Mike Lothian
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] rust: usb: keep usb::Device private and gate transfers on Interface<Bound> Mike Lothian
2026-07-06 9:45 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2026-07-06 10:38 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-06 13:46 ` Alan Stern
2026-07-06 10:40 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-07-03 3:00 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/11] rust: usb: let drivers choose the transfer allocation flags Mike Lothian
2026-07-06 9:47 ` Oliver Neukum
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