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([2600:1700:e321:62f0:da43:aeff:fecc:bfd5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-39ae0f2a321sm364027a91.7.2026.09.01.09.06.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Sep 2026 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Guenter Roeck Message-ID: <67f191de-fb07-4d2b-aeeb-9bd6514a0068@roeck-us.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 09:06:35 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] Differentiate scenarios when watchdog is closed To: "chaithco@redhat.com" Cc: wim@linux-watchdog.org, linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20260824205051.4117285-2-chaithco@redhat.com> <2bd566ca-2696-46d3-aeec-57db66fa1902@roeck-us.net> <93d22742-bf3e-4e69-aed5-27137d8f49bf@roeck-us.net> Content-Language: en-US From: Guenter Roeck Autocrypt: addr=linux@roeck-us.net; keydata= xsFNBE6H1WcBEACu6jIcw5kZ5dGeJ7E7B2uweQR/4FGxH10/H1O1+ApmcQ9i87XdZQiB9cpN RYHA7RCEK2dh6dDccykQk3bC90xXMPg+O3R+C/SkwcnUak1UZaeK/SwQbq/t0tkMzYDRxfJ7 nyFiKxUehbNF3r9qlJgPqONwX5vJy4/GvDHdddSCxV41P/ejsZ8PykxyJs98UWhF54tGRWFl 7i1xvaDB9lN5WTLRKSO7wICuLiSz5WZHXMkyF4d+/O5ll7yz/o/JxK5vO/sduYDIlFTvBZDh gzaEtNf5tQjsjG4io8E0Yq0ViobLkS2RTNZT8ICq/Jmvl0SpbHRvYwa2DhNsK0YjHFQBB0FX IdhdUEzNefcNcYvqigJpdICoP2e4yJSyflHFO4dr0OrdnGLe1Zi/8Xo/2+M1dSSEt196rXaC kwu2KgIgmkRBb3cp2vIBBIIowU8W3qC1+w+RdMUrZxKGWJ3juwcgveJlzMpMZNyM1jobSXZ0 VHGMNJ3MwXlrEFPXaYJgibcg6brM6wGfX/LBvc/haWw4yO24lT5eitm4UBdIy9pKkKmHHh7s jfZJkB5fWKVdoCv/omy6UyH6ykLOPFugl+hVL2Prf8xrXuZe1CMS7ID9Lc8FaL1ROIN/W8Vk BIsJMaWOhks//7d92Uf3EArDlDShwR2+D+AMon8NULuLBHiEUQARAQABzTJHdWVudGVyIFJv ZWNrIChMaW51eCBhY2NvdW50KSA8bGludXhAcm9lY2stdXMubmV0PsLBgQQTAQIAKwIbAwYL CQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4ACGQEFAmgrMyQFCSbODQkACgkQyx8mb86fmYGcWRAA oRwrk7V8fULqnGGpBIjp7pvR187Yzx+lhMGUHuM5H56TFEqeVwCMLWB2x1YRolYbY4MEFlQg VUFcfeW0OknSr1s6wtrtQm0gdkolM8OcCL9ptTHOg1mmXa4YpW8QJiL0AVtbpE9BroeWGl9v 2TGILPm9mVp+GmMQgkNeCS7Jonq5f5pDUGumAMguWzMFEg+Imt9wr2YA7aGen7KPSqJeQPpj onPKhu7O/KJKkuC50ylxizHzmGx+IUSmOZxN950pZUFvVZH9CwhAAl+NYUtcF5ry/uSYG2U7 DCvpzqOryJRemKN63qt1bjF6cltsXwxjKOw6CvdjJYA3n6xCWLuJ6yk6CAy1Ukh545NhgBAs rGGVkl6TUBi0ixL3EF3RWLa9IMDcHN32r7OBhw6vbul8HqyTFZWY2ksTvlTl+qG3zV6AJuzT WdXmbcKN+TdhO5XlxVlbZoCm7ViBj1+PvIFQZCnLAhqSd/DJlhaq8fFXx1dCUPgQDcD+wo65 qulV/NijfU8bzFfEPgYP/3LP+BSAyFs33y/mdP8kbMxSCjnLEhimQMrSSo/To1Gxp5C97fw5 3m1CaMILGKCmfI1B8iA8zd8ib7t1Rg0qCwcAnvsM36SkrID32GfFbv873bNskJCHAISK3Xkz qo7IYZmjk/IJGbsiGzxUhvicwkgKE9r7a1rOwU0ETofVZwEQALlLbQeBDTDbwQYrj0gbx3bq 7kpKABxN2MqeuqGr02DpS9883d/t7ontxasXoEz2GTioevvRmllJlPQERVxM8gQoNg22twF7 pB/zsrIjxkE9heE4wYfN1AyzT+AxgYN6f8hVQ7Nrc9XgZZe+8IkuW/Nf64KzNJXnSH4u6nJM J2+Dt274YoFcXR1nG76Q259mKwzbCukKbd6piL+VsT/qBrLhZe9Ivbjq5WMdkQKnP7gYKCAi pNVJC4enWfivZsYupMd9qn7Uv/oCZDYoBTdMSBUblaLMwlcjnPpOYK5rfHvC4opxl+P/Vzyz 6WC2TLkPtKvYvXmdsI6rnEI4Uucg0Au/Ulg7aqqKhzGPIbVaL+U0Wk82nz6hz+WP2ggTrY1w ZlPlRt8WM9w6WfLf2j+PuGklj37m+KvaOEfLsF1v464dSpy1tQVHhhp8LFTxh/6RWkRIR2uF I4v3Xu/k5D0LhaZHpQ4C+xKsQxpTGuYh2tnRaRL14YMW1dlI3HfeB2gj7Yc8XdHh9vkpPyuT nY/ZsFbnvBtiw7GchKKri2gDhRb2QNNDyBnQn5mRFw7CyuFclAksOdV/sdpQnYlYcRQWOUGY HhQ5eqTRZjm9z+qQe/T0HQpmiPTqQcIaG/edgKVTUjITfA7AJMKLQHgp04Vylb+G6jocnQQX JqvvP09whbqrABEBAAHCwWUEGAECAA8CGwwFAmgrMyQFCSbODQkACgkQyx8mb86fmYHlgg/9 H5JeDmB4jsreE9Bn621wZk7NMzxy9STxiVKSh8Mq4pb+IDu1RU2iLyetCY1TiJlcxnE362kj njrfAdqyPteHM+LU59NtEbGwrfcXdQoh4XdMuPA5ADetPLma3YiRa3VsVkLwpnR7ilgwQw6u dycEaOxQ7LUXCs0JaGVVP25Z2hMkHBwx6BlW6EZLNgzGI2rswSZ7SKcsBd1IRHVf0miwIFYy j/UEfAFNW+tbtKPNn3xZTLs3quQN7GdYLh+J0XxITpBZaFOpwEKV+VS36pSLnNl0T5wm0E/y scPJ0OVY7ly5Vm1nnoH4licaU5Y1nSkFR/j2douI5P7Cj687WuNMC6CcFd6j72kRfxklOqXw zvy+2NEcXyziiLXp84130yxAKXfluax9sZhhrhKT6VrD45S6N3HxJpXQ/RY/EX35neH2/F7B RgSloce2+zWfpELyS1qRkCUTt1tlGV2p+y2BPfXzrHn2vxvbhEn1QpQ6t+85FKN8YEhJEygJ F0WaMvQMNrk9UAUziVcUkLU52NS9SXqpVg8vgrO0JKx97IXFPcNh0DWsSj/0Y8HO/RDkGXYn FDMj7fZSPKyPQPmEHg+W/KzxSSfdgWIHF2QaQ0b2q1wOSec4Rti52ohmNSY+KNIW/zODhugJ np3900V20aS7eD9K8GTU0TGC1pyz6IVJwIE= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/31/26 13:05, chaithco@redhat.com wrote: > On Thu, 2026-08-27 at 11:10 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: >> Problem is that we don't know if "something bad happened". The same >> message >> will be seen if the watchdog daemon was killed or crashed. We can not >> just >> assume that closing the watchdog device was intentional. > > That's the same sticking point I've come across. Differentiating > between positive intentional closure versus malicious or buggy closure > would somehow need to be communicated to the kernel. It makes more > sense that users of the watchdog which intend to close the watchdog > while still running maybe denote such. I opened a PR with systemd at > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/43552 to see if there was some > way this could be tackled from that perspective. I'd want to see a message even if the watchdog is closed but left running on purpose. The best we can do is to add another message if there was an error when trying to stop the watchdog. That should not happen too often (well, not at all, really, unless there is a bug or hardware problem), so it would not really add noise. Thanks, Guenter