From: Mattias Nissler <mattias.nissler@gmx.de>
To: Stefano Brivio <stefano.brivio@polimi.it>
Cc: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
Michael Wu <flamingice@sourmilk.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC/T][PATCH][V3] mac80211: Exponential moving average estimate for rc80211_simple
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:38:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1196199484.8298.23.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071127163520.028f91fb@morte>
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 16:35 +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:30:05 +0100
> Mattias Nissler <mattias.nissler@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > This changes rc80211_simple failed frame percentage estimation to use an
> > exponential moving average method. Failed frames percentage is sampled
> > over time and a smoothed average is computed. This average is examined
> > periodically and the rate adjusted eventually.
>
> This can be seen as a particular example of a PID controller [1]. It's
> actually a PI controller, with no derivative terms in it. It could be
> interesting to implement a regular PID controller.
>
> This is clearly a MIMO model, with the setpoints being a reasonable value
> of TX failures and the highest achievable rate, the process input being the
> bitrate and the process output being TX failures and successes; and
> obviously, the big issue being the implementation without floating-point.
> Thus, with some tuning, you could probably get a very good rate control
> algorithm.
Good point, I'm not too familiar with control theory, but I'll do some
homework :-)
However, maybe you can answer some questions:
Is it sensible to preprocess (i.e. calculate a smoothed average) the
input data for a PID controller? If so, should we compute a time average
or just average over the last N frames?
Note that the rates (or actually modulations) are not a continuous
entity, but we only have a limited set of choices. Normally, the PID
would output a value from some continuous range. What are good ways to
map the PID controller output to a rate?
Mattias
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-27 21:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-26 21:30 [RFC/T][PATCH][V3] mac80211: Exponential moving average estimate for rc80211_simple Mattias Nissler
2007-11-27 14:13 ` Johannes Berg
2007-11-27 15:07 ` Larry Finger
2007-11-27 21:30 ` Mattias Nissler
2007-11-27 22:01 ` Larry Finger
2007-11-27 21:29 ` Mattias Nissler
2007-11-27 15:35 ` Stefano Brivio
2007-11-27 21:38 ` Mattias Nissler [this message]
2007-11-27 23:29 ` Stefano Brivio
2007-11-28 16:34 ` Mattias Nissler
2007-11-28 17:43 ` Stefano Brivio
2007-11-29 1:59 ` Mattias Nissler
2007-11-29 4:02 ` Stefano Brivio
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