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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Javier Cardona <javier@cozybit.com>
Cc: Luis Carlos Cobo <luisca@cozybit.com>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: mesh beaconing questions
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:35:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1204709710.25502.44.camel@johannes.berg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <445f43ac0803042137n6ce996f4radd58d3104fb49e1@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20080305_053741_952259_3D63D0BF)

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Javier,


> Beaconing and synchronization are the two areas that are still
> actively debated at TGs, and they are somewhat dependent (
> http://odysseus.ieee.org/cs.html?charset=iso-8859-1&url=http%3A//mentor.ieee.org/802.11/public-file/07/11-07-2853-00-000s-functional-interdependences.ppt&qt=url%3Amentor.ieee.org/802.11+||+jarkko+kneckt&col=mentor&n=2&la=en
> ). I would not invest much time in trying to support both modes at
> this time.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I'll see what documents show up :)

> That said, if things stay as they are now, we would have to make that
> configurable (only if the driver supports both beaconing modes, of
> course).

Ok.

> > (...)
> > Hence, I think the draft needs to be expanded to modify 11.1.2.2 to
> > explain under which circumstances an MP shall cancel its beacon if it
> > opts to use IBSS-like beaconing.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > I think the only useful thing is to require it to look at the mesh IEs,
> 
> ... and path selection method and metric.

Good point.

> > but that is not implementable with existing hardware, at least not
> > without firmware changes.
> 
> Needing firmware changes is a problem for o11s, but not for TGs:

True, but I think just like with o11s the adoption rate will be much
higher if it's easy to implement with existing hardware/firmware. Of
course, anybody who runs firmware can do the trivial firmware
modification for such a requirement.

> there will be other firmware (and maybe hardware) changes required to
> implement the standard.  o11s challenge is to do as much as possible
> with commodity hardware, and doing IBSS beaconing with null BSSID
> seems like an OK compromise.  Every once in a while and MP may cancel
> a beacon transmission because it receives a beacon from a different
> mesh:  that's not such a big deal.

Yeah, good point, it doesn't really matter too much.

> PS.  BTW, you should attend the IEEE meetings.  Really!

I have attended the London session (in 2007) but didn't find it worth
spending that much money on :)

johannes

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      reply	other threads:[~2008-03-05  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-26 14:07 mesh beaconing questions Johannes Berg
2008-02-26 15:42 ` Dan Williams
2008-02-26 15:54   ` Johannes Berg
2008-03-05  5:37 ` Javier Cardona
2008-03-05  9:35   ` Johannes Berg [this message]

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