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From: Marcel Holtmann <holtmann@linux.intel.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: reinette chatre <reinette.chatre@linux.intel.com>,
	Tomas Winkler <tomasw@gmail.com>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: New iwlwifi 3945 uCode available
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:56:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1224662185.9386.131.camel@californication> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1224660449.28639.22.camel@johannes.berg>

Hi Johannes,

> > I do not believe our request is unreasonable. If a user runs a new
> > kernel the log will print a message that the firmware is incorrect ...
> > all the user needs to do is go to
> > http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads and download the latest
> > firmware.
> 
> And that exactly _is_ a problem, the user may be relying on wireless
> connectivity. And they won't know up-front they need new firmware. Since
> firmware is loaded from userspace, you're breaking userspace/kernel ABI,
> it's pretty simple really.

I talked to David Woodhouse and we plan to add a big warning to
modules_install when MODULE_FIRMWARE is not present on the filesystem.

> I really don't know why we let you get away with this and bitch
> endlessly when b43 does such a change, to the point where we finally
> cave in and support both versions. Why should a community-supported
> driver be held to higher standards?

If in any way possible, we should support both versions of the firmware.

Regards

Marcel



  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21 18:27 New iwlwifi 3945 uCode available reinette chatre
2008-10-21 21:25 ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-21 21:33   ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-21 21:34     ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-21 21:38       ` John W. Linville
2008-10-21 21:53         ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-21 22:13           ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-21 22:23             ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-21 23:01               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-21 23:09                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-21 23:11                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-21 23:27                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-21 23:31                       ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-21 23:34                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-10-21 22:28             ` reinette chatre
2008-10-21 23:06               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-21 23:34                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22  1:03                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-22  7:27               ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22  7:56                 ` Marcel Holtmann [this message]
2008-10-22  7:57                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22 20:30                   ` reinette chatre
2008-10-22 22:59                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-22 23:14                       ` reinette chatre
2008-10-22 23:39                         ` John W. Linville
2008-10-23  1:12                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-23  7:22                         ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22  9:10                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22  9:14                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-10-22  9:23                     ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 10:07               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-22 12:28                 ` Tomas Winkler
2008-10-22 18:25                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-10-24 12:45                   ` Florian Mickler
2008-10-21 21:59       ` reinette chatre
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2009-04-28 20:52 new " reinette chatre

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