wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Bernhard Seibold]

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Hi!

The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
details.

Please CC me on replies.


--- a/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
+++ b/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
@@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
 country DE:
 	# entries 279004 and 280006
 	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
-	# entries 303005 and 304002
-	(5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+	# entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
+	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
 	# entries 308002 and 309001
 	(5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
 


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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Johannes Berg]

Bernhard Seibold wrote:

> The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
> freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
> the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
> They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
> details.


Odd, that document is from 2006, you'd think they would integrate it into
the 2008 release of the entire freq plan...

Can we find a URL for this one?

johannes

> Please CC me on replies.
>
>
> --- a/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
> +++ b/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
> @@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
>  country DE:
>  	# entries 279004 and 280006
>  	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> -	# entries 303005 and 304002
> -	(5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> +	# entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> +	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>  	# entries 308002 and 309001
>  	(5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
>
>
>

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Johannes Berg]

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On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 08:15 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:

> > Please CC me on replies.
> >
> >
> > --- a/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
> > +++ b/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
> > @@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
> >  country DE:
> >  	# entries 279004 and 280006
> >  	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> > -	# entries 303005 and 304002
> > -	(5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> > +	# entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> > +	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> >  	# entries 308002 and 309001
> >  	(5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS

Also, the 5250-5350 range requires TPC, but we haven't covered that
requirement yet I think we need to use the lower EIRP limit of 100 mW. I
guess we should also update 5470-5650 to 5470-5725 and take into account
the TCP limitation (500 mW max power then instead of 1W) which I seem to
have gotten wrong too.

johannes

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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Bernhard Seibold]

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On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 08:15 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:

> Can we find a URL for this one?

http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf


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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Luis R. Rodriguez]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Bernhard Seibold
<bernhard.seibold@uni-ulm.de> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
> freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
> the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
> They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
> details.
>
> Please CC me on replies.

FWIW we reviewed this internally and this matches our understanding as well. So:

Acked-by: Luis R. Rodriguez <lrodriguez@atheros.com>

  Luis

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Luis R. Rodriguez]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Bernhard Seibold
> <bernhard.seibold@uni-ulm.de> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> The current regdb is missing a frequency range for Germany. That
>> freq-range is military-controlled, so to be on the safe side, I asked
>> the responsible agency, and they confirmed to me that it's legal to use.
>> They also sent me the attached pdf (German only) which contains some
>> details.
>>
>> Please CC me on replies.
>
> FWIW we reviewed this internally and this matches our understanding as well. So:
>
> Acked-by: Luis R. Rodriguez <lrodriguez@atheros.com>

Oh John and if this patch is applied and mine are accepted as well
please note that we now need to update the sha1sum.txt file with the
sha1sum of db.txt upon each change. A change will trigger a recompile
upon running make, and generate your key if you don't have one.

  Luis

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Thomas Bächler]

Bernhard Seibold schrieb:
> --- a/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:38:22.838975857 +0100
> +++ b/db.txt	2009-03-25 19:39:37.722248019 +0100
> @@ -165,8 +165,8 @@
>  country DE:
>  	# entries 279004 and 280006
>  	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> -	# entries 303005 and 304002
> -	(5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> +	# entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
> +	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
>  	# entries 308002 and 309001
>  	(5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
>  
> 

What about 5650-5725? Shouldn't that be added as well? At least my 
university runs an AP at 5.7GHz.

[PATCH] update/fix DE 5GHz rules

[Johannes Berg]

This updates the 5 GHz rules -- TPC is not supported in any way yet so
the transmit power limit needs to be halved; some additional ranges are
available.

Signed-off-by: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
---
 db.txt |   10 ++++++----
 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index d3a05ea..b9cb935 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -162,13 +162,15 @@ country CZ:
 
 # Data from "Frequenznutzungsplan" (as published in April 2008),
 # downloaded from http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/13358.pdf
+# Also applicable is http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/media/archive/5009.pdf
+# On the 5 GHz ranges TX power can be doubled if TPC is implemented.
 country DE:
 	# entries 279004 and 280006
 	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
-	# entries 303005 and 304002
-	(5150 - 5255 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
-	# entries 308002 and 309001
-	(5470 - 5650 @ 40), (N/A, 1000 mW), DFS
+	# entries 303005, 304002 and 305002
+	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
+	# entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
+	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
 
 country DK:
 	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)

wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Maximilian Engelhardt]

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Hi,

In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in ETSI 
EN 300 440-1 [2].
According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in the 
frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power of 
25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of 802.11 
devices.

[3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of the 
SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38 in the 
paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.

Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.

If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for the 
other countries listed in [3].

Thanks,
Maxi


[1] http://www.etsi.org/technologies-clusters/technologies/radio/short-range-devices
[2] http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/300400_300499/30044001/01.06.01_60/en_30044001v010601p.pdf
[3] http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003e.pdf


diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index e9ba21a..38a9340 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -319,6 +319,9 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
 # limit is used here as the non-interference with radar and satellite
 # apps relies on the attenuation by the building walls only in the
 # absence of DFS; the neighbour countries have 100mW limit here as well.
+# The ETSI EN 300 440-1 standard for short range devices in the 5 GHz band has
+# been implemented in Germany:
+# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2014_69_SRD_pdf.pdf
 
 country DE: DFS-ETSI
        # entries 279004 and 280006
@@ -329,6 +332,8 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
        (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
        # entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
        (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
+       # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
+       (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
        # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
        (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)



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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Seth Forshee]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in ETSI 
> EN 300 440-1 [2].
> According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in the 
> frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power of 
> 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of 802.11 
> devices.
> 
> [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of the 
> SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38 in the 
> paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> 
> Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> 
> If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for the 
> other countries listed in [3].

The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tree/CONTRIBUTING.

Thanks,
Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Maximilian Engelhardt]

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On Thursday 21 April 2016 08:19:38 Seth Forshee wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in
> > ETSI EN 300 440-1 [2].
> > According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in
> > the frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power
> > of 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of
> > 802.11 devices.
> > 
> > [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of
> > the SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38
> > in the paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> > 
> > Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> > 
> > If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for
> > the
> > other countries listed in [3].
> 
> The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
> signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tre
> e/CONTRIBUTING.
> 
> Thanks,
> Seth

Hi Seth,

Thanks for your reply. You can find my signed-off-by tag below together with 
the unchanged patch.

I can affirm I did check this carefully with the official documents of the 
German administration for radio equipment (Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität, 
Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen).

I noticed that the links to the other entries for Germany are broken, as the 
website design was changed and thus all old link became non functional. I can 
provide a patch fixing this if it is something that's considered useful.


The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC 
recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for 
other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks 
for countries other than Germany.

If there is anything I can do to help adding the SRD entries for more 
countries please let me know.

Thanks,
Maxi


Signed-off-by: Maximilian Engelhardt <engelhardt@perisens.de>
--

diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index e9ba21a..38a9340 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -319,6 +319,9 @@ country CZ: DFS-ETSI
 # limit is used here as the non-interference with radar and satellite
 # apps relies on the attenuation by the building walls only in the
 # absence of DFS; the neighbour countries have 100mW limit here as well.
+# The ETSI EN 300 440-1 standard for short range devices in the 5 GHz band has
+# been implemented in Germany:
+# https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/2014_69_SRD_pdf.pdf
 
 country DE: DFS-ETSI
        # entries 279004 and 280006
@@ -329,6 +332,8 @@ country DE: DFS-ETSI
        (5250 - 5350 @ 80), (100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS, AUTO-BW
        # entries 308002, 309001 and 310003
        (5470 - 5725 @ 160), (500 mW), DFS
+       # short range devices (ETSI EN 300 440-1)
+       (5725 - 5875 @ 80), (25 mW)
        # 60 GHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
        (57000 - 66000 @ 2160), (40)

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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Seth Forshee]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:08:46PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> On Thursday 21 April 2016 08:19:38 Seth Forshee wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in
> > > ETSI EN 300 440-1 [2].
> > > According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in
> > > the frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power
> > > of 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of
> > > 802.11 devices.
> > > 
> > > [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of
> > > the SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38
> > > in the paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> > > 
> > > Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> > > 
> > > If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for
> > > the
> > > other countries listed in [3].
> > 
> > The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
> > signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
> > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tre
> > e/CONTRIBUTING.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Seth
> 
> Hi Seth,
> 
> Thanks for your reply. You can find my signed-off-by tag below together with 
> the unchanged patch.

Thanks, that will work. I'll leave it for a few days and see if anyone
else has comments.

> I can affirm I did check this carefully with the official documents of the 
> German administration for radio equipment (Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität, 
> Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen).
> 
> I noticed that the links to the other entries for Germany are broken, as the 
> website design was changed and thus all old link became non functional. I can 
> provide a patch fixing this if it is something that's considered useful.

Yes, that would be useful, so please do.

> The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC 
> recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for 
> other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks 
> for countries other than Germany.

Yep, I understand and am in agreement. I know how challenging it can be
to try to track down this information.

Thanks,
Seth

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Germany (DE) on 5GHz

[Seth Forshee]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 08:08:46PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> On Thursday 21 April 2016 08:19:38 Seth Forshee wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Maximilian Engelhardt wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > In Europe ETSI standardized the used for short range devices (SRD) [1] in
> > > ETSI EN 300 440-1 [2].
> > > According to this standard generic use equipment is allowed to transmit in
> > > the frequency range form 5725 MHz to 5875 MHz with a maximum output power
> > > of 25 mW e.i.r.p. This generic allocation also allows transmission of
> > > 802.11 devices.
> > > 
> > > [3] has a list of countries and their status about the implementation of
> > > the SRD frequency bands. For the 5 GHz band this can be seen on page 38
> > > in the paragraph ANNEX 1 and the entry Annex j.
> > > 
> > > Attached is a patch that adds the 5 GHz SRD band to db.txt for Germany.
> > > 
> > > If it is acceptable I can provide a patch adding the 5 GHz SRD band for
> > > the
> > > other countries listed in [3].
> > 
> > The changes seem okay as far as I can tell. You do need to include your
> > signed-off-by tag on the patch however, see
> > https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/sforshee/wireless-regdb.git/tre
> > e/CONTRIBUTING.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Seth
> 
> Hi Seth,
> 
> Thanks for your reply. You can find my signed-off-by tag below together with 
> the unchanged patch.
> 
> I can affirm I did check this carefully with the official documents of the 
> German administration for radio equipment (Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität, 
> Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen).
> 
> I noticed that the links to the other entries for Germany are broken, as the 
> website design was changed and thus all old link became non functional. I can 
> provide a patch fixing this if it is something that's considered useful.
> 
> 
> The comments to my initial mail indicated that the statement in the ERC 
> recommendation I linked are alone not enough to add this frequency ranges for 
> other countries. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to do these checks 
> for countries other than Germany.
> 
> If there is anything I can do to help adding the SRD entries for more 
> countries please let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Maxi
> 
> 
> Signed-off-by: Maximilian Engelhardt <engelhardt@perisens.de>

Applied, thanks.