* commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
@ 2010-07-14 9:33 Florian Klink
2010-07-14 10:00 ` Johannes Berg
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Florian Klink @ 2010-07-14 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-wireless; +Cc: ey-yi.w.guy, reinette.chatre, flokli
Hi,
I hope I'm writing to the right addresses, this is my first kernel bug
report :-)
I regulary build linus' tree from git. One day, my wireless card was
unable to connect to the access point. dmesg showed something like this:
[ 122.290949] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 1)
[ 122.490158] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 2)
[ 122.690057] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 3)
[ 122.890031] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx timed out
At first, I thought is was some link quality problem and tried it next
to the access point, but it still didn't work.
I booted another (older) kernel and with this one, the card was able to
connect without any problems.
I bisected the problem and came to commit
062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
iwlwifi: set TX_CMD_FLAG_PROT_REQUIRE_MSK in tx_flag
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
My wireless card is a Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100.
Will provide more info if needed.
Florian
PS: Please CC me, i'm not on linux-wireless.
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 9:33 commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100 Florian Klink
@ 2010-07-14 10:00 ` Johannes Berg
2010-07-14 10:06 ` Florian Klink
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Johannes Berg @ 2010-07-14 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Florian Klink; +Cc: linux-wireless, Guy, Wey-Yi W
[correct wey-yi's address, remove reinette]
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 11:33 +0200, Florian Klink wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hope I'm writing to the right addresses, this is my first kernel bug
> report :-)
>
> I regulary build linus' tree from git. One day, my wireless card was
> unable to connect to the access point. dmesg showed something like this:
>
> [ 122.290949] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 1)
> [ 122.490158] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 2)
> [ 122.690057] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 3)
> [ 122.890031] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx timed out
>
> At first, I thought is was some link quality problem and tried it next
> to the access point, but it still didn't work.
> I booted another (older) kernel and with this one, the card was able to
> connect without any problems.
>
> I bisected the problem and came to commit
> 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
> iwlwifi: set TX_CMD_FLAG_PROT_REQUIRE_MSK in tx_flag
> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
>
> My wireless card is a Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100.
>
> Will provide more info if needed.
>
> Florian
>
> PS: Please CC me, i'm not on linux-wireless.
>
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 10:00 ` Johannes Berg
@ 2010-07-14 10:06 ` Florian Klink
2010-07-14 15:28 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Florian Klink @ 2010-07-14 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Johannes Berg; +Cc: linux-wireless, Guy, Wey-Yi W
Thanks ;-)
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:00:55 +0200, Johannes Berg
<johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> [correct wey-yi's address, remove reinette]
>
> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 11:33 +0200, Florian Klink wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope I'm writing to the right addresses, this is my first kernel bug
>> report :-)
>>
>> I regulary build linus' tree from git. One day, my wireless card was
>> unable to connect to the access point. dmesg showed something like this:
>>
>> [ 122.290949] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 1)
>> [ 122.490158] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 2)
>> [ 122.690057] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 3)
>> [ 122.890031] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx timed out
>>
>> At first, I thought is was some link quality problem and tried it next
>> to the access point, but it still didn't work.
>> I booted another (older) kernel and with this one, the card was able to
>> connect without any problems.
>>
>> I bisected the problem and came to commit
>> 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
>> iwlwifi: set TX_CMD_FLAG_PROT_REQUIRE_MSK in tx_flag
>> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
>>
>> My wireless card is a Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100.
>>
>> Will provide more info if needed.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>> PS: Please CC me, i'm not on linux-wireless.
>>
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in
>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 10:06 ` Florian Klink
@ 2010-07-14 15:28 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
2010-07-14 16:36 ` Florian Klink
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Guy, Wey-Yi @ 2010-07-14 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Florian Klink; +Cc: Johannes Berg, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Hi Florian,
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 03:06 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
> Thanks ;-)
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:00:55 +0200, Johannes Berg
> <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
> > [correct wey-yi's address, remove reinette]
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 11:33 +0200, Florian Klink wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I hope I'm writing to the right addresses, this is my first kernel bug
> >> report :-)
> >>
> >> I regulary build linus' tree from git. One day, my wireless card was
> >> unable to connect to the access point. dmesg showed something like this:
> >>
> >> [ 122.290949] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 1)
> >> [ 122.490158] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 2)
> >> [ 122.690057] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 3)
> >> [ 122.890031] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx timed out
> >>
> >> At first, I thought is was some link quality problem and tried it next
> >> to the access point, but it still didn't work.
> >> I booted another (older) kernel and with this one, the card was able to
> >> connect without any problems.
> >>
> >> I bisected the problem and came to commit
> >> 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
> >> iwlwifi: set TX_CMD_FLAG_PROT_REQUIRE_MSK in tx_flag
> >> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
> >>
> >> My wireless card is a Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100.
> >>
> >> Will provide more info if needed.
> >>
Could you please load the iwlagn module with module parameter
debug=0x43fff and forward us the dmesg log
Thanks
Wey
>
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 15:28 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
@ 2010-07-14 16:36 ` Florian Klink
2010-07-14 17:27 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Florian Klink @ 2010-07-14 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Guy, Wey-Yi; +Cc: Johannes Berg, linux-wireless, flokli
Hi,
I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
Florian
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:28:48 -0700, "Guy, Wey-Yi"
<wey-yi.w.guy@intel.com> wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 03:06 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
>> Thanks ;-)
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:00:55 +0200, Johannes Berg
>> <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>> > [correct wey-yi's address, remove reinette]
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 11:33 +0200, Florian Klink wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I hope I'm writing to the right addresses, this is my first kernel bug
>> >> report :-)
>> >>
>> >> I regulary build linus' tree from git. One day, my wireless card was
>> >> unable to connect to the access point. dmesg showed something like this:
>> >>
>> >> [ 122.290949] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 1)
>> >> [ 122.490158] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 2)
>> >> [ 122.690057] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx (try 3)
>> >> [ 122.890031] wlan0: direct probe to 00:15:0c:xx:xx:xx timed out
>> >>
>> >> At first, I thought is was some link quality problem and tried it next
>> >> to the access point, but it still didn't work.
>> >> I booted another (older) kernel and with this one, the card was able to
>> >> connect without any problems.
>> >>
>> >> I bisected the problem and came to commit
>> >> 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
>> >> iwlwifi: set TX_CMD_FLAG_PROT_REQUIRE_MSK in tx_flag
>> >> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103
>> >>
>> >> My wireless card is a Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100.
>> >>
>> >> Will provide more info if needed.
>> >>
> Could you please load the iwlagn module with module parameter
> debug=0x43fff and forward us the dmesg log
>
> Thanks
> Wey
>>
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 16:36 ` Florian Klink
@ 2010-07-14 17:27 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
2010-07-14 17:36 ` Johannes Berg
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Guy, Wey-Yi @ 2010-07-14 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Florian Klink; +Cc: Johannes Berg, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Johannes,
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:36 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
> You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
>
>
based on the log sent by Florian, I did not see bss_info_change with
current BSSID from mac80211. any thought?
I am expected to see something like this,
[165796.572969] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed changes =
0xFD
[165796.572972] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed BSSID
00:25:9c:d0:9f:e1
[165796.572976] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed ERP_PREAMBLE 1
Regards
Wey
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 17:27 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
@ 2010-07-14 17:36 ` Johannes Berg
2010-07-14 17:44 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Johannes Berg @ 2010-07-14 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Guy, Wey-Yi; +Cc: Florian Klink, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:27 -0700, Guy, Wey-Yi wrote:
> Johannes,
>
> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:36 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
> > You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
>
> >
> >
> based on the log sent by Florian, I did not see bss_info_change with
> current BSSID from mac80211. any thought?
>
> I am expected to see something like this,
>
> [165796.572969] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed changes =
> 0xFD
> [165796.572972] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed BSSID
> 00:25:9c:d0:9f:e1
> [165796.572976] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed ERP_PREAMBLE 1
That'd only happen _after_ association, not before, and assoc fails
here.
johannes
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-14 17:36 ` Johannes Berg
@ 2010-07-14 17:44 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Guy, Wey-Yi @ 2010-07-14 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Johannes Berg; +Cc: Florian Klink, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Hi Florian,
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:36 -0700, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:27 -0700, Guy, Wey-Yi wrote:
> > Johannes,
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:36 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
> > > You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
> >
> > >
> > >
> > based on the log sent by Florian, I did not see bss_info_change with
> > current BSSID from mac80211. any thought?
> >
> > I am expected to see something like this,
> >
> > [165796.572969] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed changes =
> > 0xFD
> > [165796.572972] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed BSSID
> > 00:25:9c:d0:9f:e1
> > [165796.572976] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed ERP_PREAMBLE 1
>
> That'd only happen _after_ association, not before, and assoc fails
> here.
>
Could you try different channel instead of channel 12 to see if the
problem still there?
Thanks
Wey
>
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
@ 2010-07-16 23:22 Florian Klink
2010-07-16 23:49 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Florian Klink @ 2010-07-16 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Johannes Berg; +Cc: Florian Klink, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:44:21 -0700, "Guy, Wey-Yi"
<wey-yi.w.guy@intel.com> wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:36 -0700, Johannes Berg wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:27 -0700, Guy, Wey-Yi wrote:
>> > Johannes,
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:36 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
>> > > You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > based on the log sent by Florian, I did not see bss_info_change with
>> > current BSSID from mac80211. any thought?
>> >
>> > I am expected to see something like this,
>> >
>> > [165796.572969] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed changes =
>> > 0xFD
>> > [165796.572972] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed BSSID
>> > 00:25:9c:d0:9f:e1
>> > [165796.572976] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed ERP_PREAMBLE 1
>>
>> That'd only happen _after_ association, not before, and assoc fails
>> here.
>>
> Could you try different channel instead of channel 12 to see if the
> problem still there?
>
> Thanks
> Wey
>>
Hi,
very strange, now I can't reproduce the problem anymore, association
works with channel 12 and other ones, too!
I have no idea why it's now working...
Could this commit affect any link tolerance/timeouts, because I was
able to bisect the problem?
Florian
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-16 23:49 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
@ 2010-07-16 23:48 ` Florian Klink
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Florian Klink @ 2010-07-16 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Guy, Wey-Yi; +Cc: Johannes Berg, linux-wireless, Florian Klink
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:10 -0700, "Guy, Wey-Yi"
<wey-yi.w.guy@intel.com> wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 16:22 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:44:21 -0700, "Guy, Wey-Yi"
>> <wey-yi.w.guy@intel.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Florian,
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:36 -0700, Johannes Berg wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:27 -0700, Guy, Wey-Yi wrote:
>> >> > Johannes,
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:36 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
>> >> > > Hi,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
>> >> > > You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > based on the log sent by Florian, I did not see bss_info_change with
>> >> > current BSSID from mac80211. any thought?
>> >> >
>> >> > I am expected to see something like this,
>> >> >
>> >> > [165796.572969] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed changes =
>> >> > 0xFD
>> >> > [165796.572972] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed BSSID
>> >> > 00:25:9c:d0:9f:e1
>> >> > [165796.572976] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed ERP_PREAMBLE 1
>> >>
>> >> That'd only happen _after_ association, not before, and assoc fails
>> >> here.
>> >>
>> > Could you try different channel instead of channel 12 to see if the
>> > problem still there?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Wey
>> >>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> very strange, now I can't reproduce the problem anymore, association
>> works with channel 12 and other ones, too!
>> I have no idea why it's now working...
>>
>> Could this commit affect any link tolerance/timeouts, because I was
>> able to bisect the problem?
>>
> Not sure what happen, but please do let us know if you see the problem
> pop up again. I do not think this patch should affect the link
> tolerance.
>
> Thanks
> Wey
>>
Hi,
okay, but thanks for your time anyway...
:-)
Florian
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* Re: commit 062bee448bd539580ef9f64efe50fdfe04eeb103 broke my iwlagn 5100
2010-07-16 23:22 Florian Klink
@ 2010-07-16 23:49 ` Guy, Wey-Yi
2010-07-16 23:48 ` Florian Klink
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Guy, Wey-Yi @ 2010-07-16 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Florian Klink; +Cc: Johannes Berg, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Hi Florian,
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 16:22 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:44:21 -0700, "Guy, Wey-Yi"
> <wey-yi.w.guy@intel.com> wrote:
> > Hi Florian,
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:36 -0700, Johannes Berg wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:27 -0700, Guy, Wey-Yi wrote:
> >> > Johannes,
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 09:36 -0700, Florian Klink wrote:
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > I did a dmesg with 2.6.35-rc5 and debug=0x43fff.
> >> > > You can get it here: http://pastebin.com/Q6eCdPZR
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > based on the log sent by Florian, I did not see bss_info_change with
> >> > current BSSID from mac80211. any thought?
> >> >
> >> > I am expected to see something like this,
> >> >
> >> > [165796.572969] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed changes =
> >> > 0xFD
> >> > [165796.572972] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed BSSID
> >> > 00:25:9c:d0:9f:e1
> >> > [165796.572976] ieee80211 phy3: U iwl_bss_info_changed ERP_PREAMBLE 1
> >>
> >> That'd only happen _after_ association, not before, and assoc fails
> >> here.
> >>
> > Could you try different channel instead of channel 12 to see if the
> > problem still there?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Wey
> >>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> very strange, now I can't reproduce the problem anymore, association
> works with channel 12 and other ones, too!
> I have no idea why it's now working...
>
> Could this commit affect any link tolerance/timeouts, because I was
> able to bisect the problem?
>
Not sure what happen, but please do let us know if you see the problem
pop up again. I do not think this patch should affect the link
tolerance.
Thanks
Wey
>
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