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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, nbd@openwrt.org,
	bloat-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	"Nathaniel J. Smith" <njs@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mac80211: implement eBDP algorithm to fight bufferbloat
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:31:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1297931469.3750.9.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1297907356-3214-1-git-send-email-linville@tuxdriver.com>

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 20:49 -0500, John W. Linville wrote:

> @@ -212,6 +216,11 @@ void ieee80211_tx_status(struct ieee80211_hw *hw, struct sk_buff *skb)
>  		if (memcmp(hdr->addr2, sta->sdata->vif.addr, ETH_ALEN))
>  			continue;
>  
> +		atomic_dec(&sta->sdata->enqueued);

Note that TX status isn't reliable under any circumstances. Many drivers
will reliably return the SKB if it was enqueued correctly to the device,
but that may already fail (failure to allocate URBs, DMA memory etc.) In
this case, the counter will continually be too high, leading the code
below to drop many more packets than necessary. This is what I was
referring to earlier :-)

> @@ -1323,6 +1325,20 @@ static int __ieee80211_tx(struct ieee80211_local *local,
>  
>  		sdata = vif_to_sdata(info->control.vif);
>  
> +		/* test for queue admission qualifications */
> +		tserv_ns_avg = ewma_read(&sdata->tserv_ns_avg);
> +		/* constants 2 msec and offset 5 should be tunable? */
> +		max_enqueued = 2 * NSEC_PER_MSEC / tserv_ns_avg + 5;
> +		if (atomic_read(&sdata->enqueued) > max_enqueued) {
> +			/* silently drop */
> +			dev_kfree_skb(skb);
> +			return IEEE80211_TX_OK;
> +		}

As Nathaniel pointed out, this should instead stop the queue to give
normal QoS mechanisms a chance (this one packet can be kept for later,
or transmitted anyway, or the code to test all this can be after the
packet is sent).

However, since "sdata->enqueued" will drift as explained above, this
isn't feasible anyhow.

> +		/* timestamp queue entry and increment queue length */
> +		skb->tstamp = ktime_get();
> +		atomic_inc(&sdata->enqueued);

Additionally, this assumes that tx() cannot fail -- it can until my void
patch.

Sorry, this approach just won't work because we don't have perfect skb
accounting across the stack.

johannes


  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-17  8:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-13 17:56 [PATCH 0/5] iwlwifi: Auto-tune tx queue size to maintain latency under load Nathaniel J. Smith
2011-02-13 17:56 ` [PATCH 1/5] iwlwifi: Simplify tx queue management Nathaniel J. Smith
2011-02-14  9:57   ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-14 22:17     ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-14 22:45       ` wwguy
2011-02-15  0:15         ` Dave Täht
2011-02-16  9:16         ` Stanislaw Gruszka
2011-02-16 14:41           ` John W. Linville
2011-02-16 15:13             ` wwguy
2011-02-15 12:11       ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-14 15:33   ` wwguy
2011-02-13 17:56 ` [PATCH 2/5] iwlwifi: Convert the tx queue high_mark to an atomic_t Nathaniel J. Smith
2011-02-14 12:16   ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-14 22:35     ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-15 12:08       ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-15 17:37         ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-13 17:56 ` [PATCH 3/5] iwlwifi: Invert the sense of the queue high_mark Nathaniel J. Smith
2011-02-13 17:56 ` [PATCH 4/5] iwlwifi: auto-tune tx queue size to minimize latency Nathaniel J. Smith
2011-02-14 12:17   ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-14 21:58     ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-15 12:13       ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-15 15:03         ` John W. Linville
2011-02-16  8:59           ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-15 17:31         ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-14 15:46   ` wwguy
2011-02-13 17:56 ` [PATCH 5/5] iwlwifi: make current tx queue sizes visible in debugfs Nathaniel J. Smith
2011-02-14  0:32 ` [PATCH 0/5] iwlwifi: Auto-tune tx queue size to maintain latency under load Julian Calaby
2011-02-14  3:28   ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-16 15:50 ` John W. Linville
2011-02-16 23:08   ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-16 23:42     ` wwguy
2011-02-17  1:49 ` [RFC] mac80211: implement eBDP algorithm to fight bufferbloat John W. Linville
2011-02-17  3:31   ` Ben Greear
2011-02-17  4:26   ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-17  8:31   ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2011-02-18 21:21   ` [RFC v2] " John W. Linville
2011-02-19  3:44     ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-21 18:47       ` John W. Linville
2011-02-21 23:26         ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-23 22:28           ` John W. Linville
2011-02-25 18:21             ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-25 18:27               ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-20  0:37     ` Nathaniel Smith
2011-02-21 18:52       ` John W. Linville
2011-02-21 15:28     ` Johannes Berg
2011-02-21 19:06       ` John W. Linville
2011-02-21 20:26         ` Tianji Li
2011-02-28 13:07         ` Johannes Berg

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