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* Fwd: Intel 7260
       [not found] <CAKnB8xgAVp+Ti597RN4_kgPLgXpW1JCr4SQaqfqCzy5A4=o3Ow@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2013-11-26 12:28 ` matt emery
  2013-11-26 18:11   ` Pat Erley
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: matt emery @ 2013-11-26 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-wireless

Hi,

I hope you can help, I am having problems getting N with new Dual band
wireless ac 7260 pci express half mini card, manufacturer code
7260.HMWWB

lspci: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev 73)

Kernel: 3.12.0-031200-generic

firmware: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 682892 Nov 26 12:10 iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode
from here; http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-7260-ucode-22.0.7.0.tgz

wlan0     IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"XXXX"
          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 06:XX:22:XX:ED:XX
          Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm
          Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
          Encryption key:off
          Power Management:off
          Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=-36 dBm
          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
          Tx excessive retries:1  Invalid misc:27   Missed beacon:0


Let me know if you need anything else.

Thanks

matt

Matthew Emery
07988 197 438

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* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 12:28 ` Fwd: Intel 7260 matt emery
@ 2013-11-26 18:11   ` Pat Erley
  2013-11-26 18:24     ` Dan Williams
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Pat Erley @ 2013-11-26 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: matt emery, linux-wireless

On 11/26/2013 06:28 AM, matt emery wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hope you can help, I am having problems getting N with new Dual band
> wireless ac 7260 pci express half mini card, manufacturer code
> 7260.HMWWB
>
> lspci: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev 73)
>
> Kernel: 3.12.0-031200-generic
>
> firmware: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 682892 Nov 26 12:10 iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode
> from here; http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-7260-ucode-22.0.7.0.tgz
>
> wlan0     IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"XXXX"
>            Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 06:XX:22:XX:ED:XX
>            Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm
>            Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off

>            Encryption key:off

While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe 
802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and 
testing again.

>            Power Management:off
>            Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=-36 dBm
>            Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>            Tx excessive retries:1  Invalid misc:27   Missed beacon:0
>
>
> Let me know if you need anything else.
>
> Thanks
>
> matt
>
> Matthew Emery
> 07988 197 438
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* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 18:11   ` Pat Erley
@ 2013-11-26 18:24     ` Dan Williams
  2013-11-26 18:35       ` matt emery
  2013-11-26 20:46       ` Drasko DRASKOVIC
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Dan Williams @ 2013-11-26 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pat Erley; +Cc: matt emery, linux-wireless

On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 12:11 -0600, Pat Erley wrote:
> On 11/26/2013 06:28 AM, matt emery wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I hope you can help, I am having problems getting N with new Dual band
> > wireless ac 7260 pci express half mini card, manufacturer code
> > 7260.HMWWB
> >
> > lspci: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev 73)
> >
> > Kernel: 3.12.0-031200-generic
> >
> > firmware: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 682892 Nov 26 12:10 iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode
> > from here; http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-7260-ucode-22.0.7.0.tgz
> >
> > wlan0     IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"XXXX"
> >            Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 06:XX:22:XX:ED:XX
> >            Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm
> >            Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
> 
> >            Encryption key:off
> 
> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe 
> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and 
> testing again.

This is true, but also Matt is using 'iwconfig', which does not support
anything N-related because it uses the older WEXT kernel API.  It simply
won't show 802.11n bitrates, nor will it show encryption details for
WPA.

Matt should be using 'iw' instead, with:

iw dev wlan0 info
iw dev wlan0 link

Dan

> >            Power Management:off
> >            Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=-36 dBm
> >            Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
> >            Tx excessive retries:1  Invalid misc:27   Missed beacon:0
> >
> >
> > Let me know if you need anything else.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > matt
> >
> > Matthew Emery
> > 07988 197 438
> > --
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> >
> 
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* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 18:24     ` Dan Williams
@ 2013-11-26 18:35       ` matt emery
  2013-11-26 20:46       ` Drasko DRASKOVIC
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: matt emery @ 2013-11-26 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dan Williams; +Cc: Pat Erley, linux-wireless

iw dev wlan0 info
Interface wlan0
    ifindex 3
    type managed
    wiphy 0


iw dev wlan0 link
Connected to 06:27:22:51:ed:be (on wlan0)
    SSID: capa
    freq: 2412
    RX: 10337197 bytes (45941 packets)
    TX: 8685983 bytes (25169 packets)
    signal: -49 dBm
    tx bitrate: 54.0 MBit/s

    bss flags:    short-preamble short-slot-time
    dtim period:    0
    beacon int:    100

Matthew Emery
07988 197 438



On 26 November 2013 18:24, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-11-26 at 12:11 -0600, Pat Erley wrote:
>> On 11/26/2013 06:28 AM, matt emery wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I hope you can help, I am having problems getting N with new Dual band
>> > wireless ac 7260 pci express half mini card, manufacturer code
>> > 7260.HMWWB
>> >
>> > lspci: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1 (rev 73)
>> >
>> > Kernel: 3.12.0-031200-generic
>> >
>> > firmware: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 682892 Nov 26 12:10 iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode
>> > from here; http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-7260-ucode-22.0.7.0.tgz
>> >
>> > wlan0     IEEE 802.11abg  ESSID:"XXXX"
>> >            Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 06:XX:22:XX:ED:XX
>> >            Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm
>> >            Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>>
>> >            Encryption key:off
>>
>> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe
>> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and
>> testing again.
>
> This is true, but also Matt is using 'iwconfig', which does not support
> anything N-related because it uses the older WEXT kernel API.  It simply
> won't show 802.11n bitrates, nor will it show encryption details for
> WPA.
>
> Matt should be using 'iw' instead, with:
>
> iw dev wlan0 info
> iw dev wlan0 link
>
> Dan
>
>> >            Power Management:off
>> >            Link Quality=70/70  Signal level=-36 dBm
>> >            Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>> >            Tx excessive retries:1  Invalid misc:27   Missed beacon:0
>> >
>> >
>> > Let me know if you need anything else.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > matt
>> >
>> > Matthew Emery
>> > 07988 197 438
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in
>> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>> >
>>
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in
>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>
>

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 18:24     ` Dan Williams
  2013-11-26 18:35       ` matt emery
@ 2013-11-26 20:46       ` Drasko DRASKOVIC
  2013-11-26 21:14         ` matt emery
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Drasko DRASKOVIC @ 2013-11-26 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dan Williams; +Cc: Pat Erley, matt emery, linux-wireless

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> wrote:
>> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe
>> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and
>> testing again.
>
> This is true, but...

802.11n HT prevents WPA:
http://www.slideshare.net/HPenterprise/demystifying-80211n-and-wpawpa2,slide
4

I do not see however that using no encryption is prevented by the standard...

BR,
Drasko

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 20:46       ` Drasko DRASKOVIC
@ 2013-11-26 21:14         ` matt emery
  2013-11-26 21:24           ` Pat Erley
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: matt emery @ 2013-11-26 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Drasko DRASKOVIC; +Cc: Dan Williams, Pat Erley, linux-wireless

Hi,

I'm using WPA2/AES and i have other devices connected to the AP using
N, I can't go open as i am resident on a school campus.

Can you tell me if it is possible to get N with this card on linux, or
should i wait for a newer firmware or something?

thanks

Matt
Matthew Emery
07988 197 438



On 26 November 2013 20:46, Drasko DRASKOVIC <drasko.draskovic@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe
>>> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and
>>> testing again.
>>
>> This is true, but...
>
> 802.11n HT prevents WPA:
> http://www.slideshare.net/HPenterprise/demystifying-80211n-and-wpawpa2,slide
> 4
>
> I do not see however that using no encryption is prevented by the standard...
>
> BR,
> Drasko

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 21:14         ` matt emery
@ 2013-11-26 21:24           ` Pat Erley
  2013-11-26 21:28             ` matt emery
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Pat Erley @ 2013-11-26 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: matt emery, Drasko DRASKOVIC; +Cc: Dan Williams, linux-wireless

On 11/26/2013 03:14 PM, matt emery wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using WPA2/AES and i have other devices connected to the AP using
> N, I can't go open as i am resident on a school campus.
>
> Can you tell me if it is possible to get N with this card on linux, or
> should i wait for a newer firmware or something?
>
> thanks
>
> Matt
> Matthew Emery
> 07988 197 438
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2013 20:46, Drasko DRASKOVIC <drasko.draskovic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe
>>>> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and
>>>> testing again.
>>>
>>> This is true, but...
>>
>> 802.11n HT prevents WPA:
>> http://www.slideshare.net/HPenterprise/demystifying-80211n-and-wpawpa2,slide
>> 4
>>
>> I do not see however that using no encryption is prevented by the standard...
>>
>> BR,
>> Drasko
> --

then 11n *SHOULD* be possible.  Perhaps 11n is disabled with a module 
parameter by your distribution?

The output of:
   dmesg | grep iwl

might provide some insight(I see: "iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0 wlan0: disabling 
HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use" on my system connecting to a WPA1 AP.

The output of:
   egrep -rsn 11n /etc/mod*

might help determine if the 11n_disable kernel parameter is set by your 
distribution.


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 21:24           ` Pat Erley
@ 2013-11-26 21:28             ` matt emery
  2013-11-26 21:50               ` matt emery
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: matt emery @ 2013-11-26 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pat Erley; +Cc: Drasko DRASKOVIC, Dan Williams, linux-wireless

dmesg | grep iwl
[    4.065349] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[    4.087754] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: irq 48 for MSI/MSI-X
[    4.100012] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: loaded firmware version 22.0.7.0
op_mode iwlmvm
[    4.146899] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Dual Band
Wireless AC 7260, REV=0x144
[    4.149727] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
[    4.152321] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
[    4.387220] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-mvm-rs'
[    4.945622] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
[    4.945802] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S


egrep -rsn 11n /etc/mod*
/etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf:8:options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1


^^^ looks like you may have found it :)

ty i'll set it to 0 and let you know what happens
Matthew Emery
07988 197 438



On 26 November 2013 21:24, Pat Erley <pat-lkml@erley.org> wrote:
> On 11/26/2013 03:14 PM, matt emery wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using WPA2/AES and i have other devices connected to the AP using
>> N, I can't go open as i am resident on a school campus.
>>
>> Can you tell me if it is possible to get N with this card on linux, or
>> should i wait for a newer firmware or something?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Matt
>> Matthew Emery
>> 07988 197 438
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 November 2013 20:46, Drasko DRASKOVIC <drasko.draskovic@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe
>>>>> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and
>>>>> testing again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is true, but...
>>>
>>>
>>> 802.11n HT prevents WPA:
>>>
>>> http://www.slideshare.net/HPenterprise/demystifying-80211n-and-wpawpa2,slide
>>> 4
>>>
>>> I do not see however that using no encryption is prevented by the
>>> standard...
>>>
>>> BR,
>>> Drasko
>>
>> --
>
>
> then 11n *SHOULD* be possible.  Perhaps 11n is disabled with a module
> parameter by your distribution?
>
> The output of:
>   dmesg | grep iwl
>
> might provide some insight(I see: "iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0 wlan0: disabling
> HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use" on my system connecting to a WPA1 AP.
>
> The output of:
>   egrep -rsn 11n /etc/mod*
>
> might help determine if the 11n_disable kernel parameter is set by your
> distribution.
>

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 21:28             ` matt emery
@ 2013-11-26 21:50               ` matt emery
  2013-11-28  7:49                 ` Emmanuel Grumbach
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: matt emery @ 2013-11-26 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pat Erley; +Cc: Drasko DRASKOVIC, Dan Williams, linux-wireless

That worked but it's killed my bluetooth !
Matthew Emery
07988 197 438



On 26 November 2013 21:28, matt emery <matt@x204.com> wrote:
> dmesg | grep iwl
> [    4.065349] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
> [    4.087754] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: irq 48 for MSI/MSI-X
> [    4.100012] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: loaded firmware version 22.0.7.0
> op_mode iwlmvm
> [    4.146899] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Dual Band
> Wireless AC 7260, REV=0x144
> [    4.149727] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
> [    4.152321] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
> [    4.387220] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-mvm-rs'
> [    4.945622] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
> [    4.945802] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: L1 Enabled; Disabling L0S
>
>
> egrep -rsn 11n /etc/mod*
> /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf:8:options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1
>
>
> ^^^ looks like you may have found it :)
>
> ty i'll set it to 0 and let you know what happens
> Matthew Emery
> 07988 197 438
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2013 21:24, Pat Erley <pat-lkml@erley.org> wrote:
>> On 11/26/2013 03:14 PM, matt emery wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm using WPA2/AES and i have other devices connected to the AP using
>>> N, I can't go open as i am resident on a school campus.
>>>
>>> Can you tell me if it is possible to get N with this card on linux, or
>>> should i wait for a newer firmware or something?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> Matthew Emery
>>> 07988 197 438
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 November 2013 20:46, Drasko DRASKOVIC <drasko.draskovic@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I'm not certain about your AP or the 7260 driver, I believe
>>>>>> 802.11n technically requires WPA2 encryption.  Try turning that on and
>>>>>> testing again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is true, but...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 802.11n HT prevents WPA:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/HPenterprise/demystifying-80211n-and-wpawpa2,slide
>>>> 4
>>>>
>>>> I do not see however that using no encryption is prevented by the
>>>> standard...
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>> Drasko
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>
>> then 11n *SHOULD* be possible.  Perhaps 11n is disabled with a module
>> parameter by your distribution?
>>
>> The output of:
>>   dmesg | grep iwl
>>
>> might provide some insight(I see: "iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0 wlan0: disabling
>> HT/VHT due to WEP/TKIP use" on my system connecting to a WPA1 AP.
>>
>> The output of:
>>   egrep -rsn 11n /etc/mod*
>>
>> might help determine if the 11n_disable kernel parameter is set by your
>> distribution.
>>

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-26 21:50               ` matt emery
@ 2013-11-28  7:49                 ` Emmanuel Grumbach
  2013-11-28  8:39                   ` matt emery
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Emmanuel Grumbach @ 2013-11-28  7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: matt emery; +Cc: Pat Erley, Drasko DRASKOVIC, Dan Williams, linux-wireless

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:50 PM, matt emery <matt@x204.com> wrote:
>
> That worked but it's killed my bluetooth !

That should be fixed with latest code and the firmware that is not
released yet...

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: Fwd: Intel 7260
  2013-11-28  7:49                 ` Emmanuel Grumbach
@ 2013-11-28  8:39                   ` matt emery
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: matt emery @ 2013-11-28  8:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Emmanuel Grumbach
  Cc: Pat Erley, Drasko DRASKOVIC, Dan Williams, linux-wireless

haha i knew it!

let me know if there is anything i can do to help,i cant code but i can test :)

thanks

Matt

Matthew Emery
07988 197 438



On 28 November 2013 07:49, Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:50 PM, matt emery <matt@x204.com> wrote:
>>
>> That worked but it's killed my bluetooth !
>
> That should be fixed with latest code and the firmware that is not
> released yet...

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