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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jarkao2@gmail.com, Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net, kaber@trash.net,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Kernel WARNING: at net/core/dev.c:1330 __netif_schedule+0x2c/0x98()
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:10:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080801211040.GV14851@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807242038.36693.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:38:35PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:08, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 02:32 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > > From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:27:05 +0200
> > >
> > > > Well, not only lockdep, taking a very large number of locks is
> > > > expensive as well.
> > >
> > > Right now it would be on the order of 16 or 32 for
> > > real hardware.
> > >
> > > Much less than the scheduler currently takes on some
> > > of my systems, so currently you are the pot calling the
> > > kettle black. :-)
> >
> > One nit, and then I'll let this issue rest :-)
> >
> > The scheduler has a long lock dependancy chain (nr_cpu_ids rq locks),
> > but it never takes all of them at the same time. Any one code path will
> > at most hold two rq locks.
> 
> Aside from lockdep, is there a particular problem with taking 64k locks
> at once? (in a very slow path, of course) I don't think it causes a
> problem with preempt_count, does it cause issues with -rt kernel?
> 
> Hey, something kind of cool (and OT) I've just thought of that we can
> do with ticket locks is to take tickets for 2 (or 64K) nested locks,
> and then wait for them both (all), so the cost is N*lock + longest spin,
> rather than N*lock + N*avg spin.
> 
> That would mean even at the worst case of a huge amount of contention
> on all 64K locks, it should only take a couple of ms to take all of
> them (assuming max spin time isn't ridiculous).
> 
> Probably not the kind of feature we want to expose widely, but for
> really special things like the scheduler, it might be a neat hack to
> save a few cycles ;) Traditional implementations would just have
> #define spin_lock_async	      spin_lock
> #define spin_lock_async_wait  do {} while (0)
> 
> Sorry it's offtopic, but if I didn't post it, I'd forget to. Might be
> a fun quick hack for someone.

FWIW, I did something similar in a previous life for the write-side of
a brlock-like locking mechanism.  This was especially helpful if the
read-side critical sections were long.

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-01 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <20080721143023.GA32451@elte.hu>
2008-07-21 15:10     ` [crash] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000370 David Miller
     [not found]     ` <20080721150446.GA17746@elte.hu>
2008-07-21 15:24       ` David Miller
2008-07-21 18:18         ` Ian Schram
2008-07-21 19:06           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 19:13             ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 19:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 19:43                 ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 19:47                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 20:15                     ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:28                     ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 20:21                   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:38                     ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 20:46                       ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:51                         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:01                           ` David Miller
2008-07-21 21:06                             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:35                               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:42                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:51                                 ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 22:04                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 22:40                                     ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 23:15                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-22  6:34                                         ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 10:51                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-22 11:32                                           ` David Miller
2008-07-22 12:52                                             ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 20:43                                               ` David Miller
2008-07-22 13:02                                             ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 14:53                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-22 21:17                                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-22 16:39                                               ` Kernel WARNING: at net/core/dev.c:1330 __netif_schedule+0x2c/0x98() Larry Finger
2008-07-22 17:20                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-22 18:39                                                   ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 18:44                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-22 19:30                                                       ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 23:04                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-23  6:20                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23  7:59                                                         ` David Miller
2008-07-23  8:54                                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23  9:03                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23  9:35                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23  9:50                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 10:13                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 10:58                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 11:35                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 11:49                                                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 20:16                                                                           ` David Miller
2008-07-23 20:43                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 20:55                                                                               ` David Miller
2008-07-24  9:10                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24  9:20                                                                               ` David Miller
2008-07-24  9:27                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24  9:32                                                                                   ` David Miller
2008-07-24 10:08                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24 10:38                                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 10:55                                                                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-24 11:06                                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-01 21:10                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-24 10:59                                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-01 21:10                                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2008-07-23 20:14                                                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-24  7:00                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-25 17:04                                                                         ` Ingo Oeser
2008-07-25 18:36                                                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25 19:16                                                                             ` Johannes Berg
2008-07-25 19:34                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25 19:36                                                                                 ` Johannes Berg
2008-07-25 20:01                                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-26  9:18                                                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-26 10:53                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-26 13:18                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-27  0:34                                                                                         ` David Miller
2008-07-27 20:37                                                                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-31 12:29                                                                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-31 12:38                                                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 12:44                                                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-01  4:27                                                                                               ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:09                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-01  6:48                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-01  7:00                                                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:01                                                                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-01  7:01                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:41                                                                                                     ` Jarek Poplawski

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