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From: Jouni Malinen <j@w1.fi>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	Rami Rosen <ramirose@gmail.com>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, kune@deine-taler.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH ] zd1211rw: enable master mode. (wireless-testing)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:27:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081120082750.GG5078@jm.kir.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1227126620.26243.71.camel@johannes.berg>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:30:19PM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:

> That's a good question. The distinction here is between empowering users
> to do the wrong thing (AP without proper PS support) and enforcing the
> right thing (with the consequence of complete loss of AP functionality).
> The issue I see here is that users will see "ohh shiny, AP support"
> without knowing that it doesn't actually really support it. Not sure
> which side of the line we want to stand on, I prefer the correctness
> side but I can see arguments for the other side, would just like to have
> users know. Maybe we could have some way to tell hostapd this and then
> have hostapd print a huge warning about it when started up?

I would be fine adding such a warning into hostapd if someone comes up
with the patch and mac80211/nl80211 changes to provide the
working-PS-mode capability flag.

Is the problem with zd1211rw just in PS buffering of multicast/broadcast
frames or does it also have problems with unicast? Many use cases could
handle the multicast/broadcast case, but if unicast PS buffering does
not work properly, there may be more issues.. Anyway, this leaves a
nasty surprise for the end user who may not even realize what power
saving really means in context of 802.11 and would not have any way of
figuring out why the connection does not work suddenly when the STA goes
to power save mode.

-- 
Jouni Malinen                                            PGP id EFC895FA

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-20  8:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-17 15:51 [PATCH ] zd1211rw: enable master mode. (wireless-testing) Rami Rosen
2008-11-17 17:40 ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-19 13:59   ` Rami Rosen
2008-11-19 14:49     ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-19 15:09       ` Rami Rosen
2008-11-19 15:17         ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-19 16:01           ` John W. Linville
2008-11-19 20:30             ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-19 21:00               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-11-19 21:16                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-11-20 15:33                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-11-19 21:18                 ` John W. Linville
2008-11-20  6:37                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-20  8:27               ` Jouni Malinen [this message]
2008-11-20 17:52                 ` Johannes Berg

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