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From: Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>
To: Frank Schaefer <schaefer.frank@gmx.net>
Cc: Matthew Dharm <mdharm-usb@one-eyed-alien.net>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ar9170usb: add mode-switching for AVM Fritz!WLAN USB N devices in cdrom mode
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:49:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911012149.57966.chunkeey@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AEDEE7C.4010406@gmx.net>

On Sunday 01 November 2009 21:24:28 Frank Schaefer wrote:
> Matthew Dharm schrieb:
> > On Sun, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:29:20PM +0100, Josua Dietze wrote:
> >   
> >> Frank Schaefer schrieb:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> I really think the mode-switching should be done in the kernel and not
> >>> in user-space for reasons of usability.
> >>>       
> >> What is wrong with an udev rule entry? By the way, did the "eject" 
> >> command line tool work as well?
> >>     
> >
> > And I think it should be done in userspace for issues of maintainability
> > and useability.  It is much easier for users to upgrade their udev then
> > their kernel.
> >   
> Maintainability for whom ? The kernel-devs or the distro-people and the
> users ? ;)
> 
> Please think about the users. They don't know that they have to create
> udev-rules or have to install additional packages like usb_modeswitch
> (which is nevertheless a great tool !).
> And even if they know, they don't want to do that. So it's up to the
> distros to do this automatically, which will in reality never come true
> for all devices and distros.
yes, please think about the users!

All not-so-trival-changes have to go through wireless-testing / wireless-next,
net-next, linux-next until it hits finally the mainline... And then only users
which are able to update their kernels will benefit, *everyone else* has
to wait until their distros to pick up the new kernel... this could be easily more
than a year before the device will work right out of the box for *everyone else*.

Therefore udev should be the way to go... and as a bonus: a userspace/udev solution 
does work with older kernels right away!

Regards,
	Chr

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-01 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0910171130550.25594-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
     [not found]   ` <20091017220313.GH24502@one-eyed-alien.net>
     [not found]     ` <4ADC3657.6080906@gmx.net>
2009-11-01 18:00       ` [PATCH] ar9170usb: add mode-switching for AVM Fritz!WLAN USB N devices in cdrom mode Frank Schaefer
2009-11-01 18:27         ` Johannes Berg
2009-11-01 20:02           ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-01 18:29         ` Josua Dietze
2009-11-01 18:35           ` Matthew Dharm
2009-11-01 20:24             ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-01 20:49               ` Christian Lamparter [this message]
2009-11-02 20:16                 ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-02  0:47               ` Matthew Dharm
2009-11-02 20:07                 ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-02 21:10                   ` Matthew Dharm
2009-11-02 21:15                     ` Matthew Dharm
2009-11-03 20:33                     ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-01 20:11           ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-02  0:51             ` Matthew Dharm
2009-11-02 20:10               ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-02 20:18                 ` Dan Williams
2009-11-02 21:05                   ` Alan Cox
2009-11-02 21:37                     ` Dan Williams
2009-11-02 21:45                     ` Dan Williams
2009-11-02 22:23                       ` Christian Lamparter
2009-11-03 20:22                       ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-02 21:11                   ` Matthew Dharm
2009-11-02 21:42                     ` Dan Williams
2009-11-02 22:39                       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-03  0:54                         ` Dan Williams
2009-11-03 10:55                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-11-03 15:16                       ` Alan Stern
2009-11-03 16:29                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-11-03 22:47                           ` Alan Stern
2009-11-03 23:55                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-11-04  3:57                               ` Alan Stern
2009-11-04  9:11                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-11-03 20:42                         ` Frank Schaefer
2009-11-04 16:16                           ` Alan Stern
2009-11-04 16:25                             ` Johannes Berg
2009-11-04 17:07                               ` Alan Stern
2009-11-04 17:41                                 ` Josua Dietze
2009-11-04 16:41                             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-11-04 17:41                               ` Josua Dietze
2009-11-03 10:57                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-11-03 12:58                       ` Christian Lamparter
2009-11-03 20:18                   ` Frank Schaefer

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