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From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>
Cc: bcm43xx devel <Bcm43xx-dev@lists.berlios.de>,
	wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: A workaround for BCM43XX devices with no on-board SPROM
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:36:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201003190836.58688.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BA29D49.80707@lwfinger.net>

On Thursday 18 March 2010 22:38:17 Larry Finger wrote:
> On 03/18/2010 02:31 PM, Michael Buesch wrote:
> > On Thursday 18 March 2010 18:46:35 Larry Finger wrote:
> >> (1) Modify b43-fwcutter to take data from an existing SPROM,
> > 
> > Why not extend the ssb-sprom tool? I don't think this has anything to do with
> > firmware, except that we (ab)use the firmware loading mechanism of the kernel
> > for loading the blob into the kernel.
> 
> It has nothing to do with firmware, but the existing fwcutter has all the parts
> to generate files in the firmware directory,

Everything needed to "generate a file in the firmware directory" are the open()
write() and close() syscalls.

> > 
> >> I have chosen to implement this in
> >> fwcutter rather than ssb_sprom because the ordinary user will not have access to
> >> ssb_sprom;
> > 
> > Huh? ssb-sprom is GPL software. I have no problem relicensing it under BSD or
> > even something more liberal. I don't see a problem for "ordinary users" here.
> 
> It has nothing to do with the license. My distro, openSUSE, packages fwcutter
> along with a script that uses wget to download the Broadcom drivers and extract
> firmware for both b43 and b43legacy. The average user only has to execute that
> script. Of course, the package could include both fwcutter and ssb_sprom
> programs, but that would make a bigger change to the openSUSE package than just
> a patch to fwcutter. I suspect that other distros use similar packages.
> 
> > Well, but that version won't do anything on the SPROM, too.
> 
> Yes, but if fwcutter were modified, it could write the virtual SPROM file.

I think it really is abuse of fwcutter.
What if you don't want any proprietary firmware at all, but still want an SPROM image?
What about distros that do _not_ automatically use fwcutter to put proprietary fw in place
for legal reasons? (Which most likely is the majority of distributions).

Why create yet another dependency on fwcutter. I thought the long term plan was to get rid
of proprietary firmware and fwcutter?

Is it really such a big deal for a distribution to include yet another tiny opensource
package? If that really is a problem for a distribution, they should just completely
stop doing their distro.

-- 
Greetings, Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-19  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-18 17:46 RFC: A workaround for BCM43XX devices with no on-board SPROM Larry Finger
2010-03-18 19:31 ` Michael Buesch
2010-03-18 20:20   ` John W. Linville
2010-03-18 20:31     ` Johannes Berg
2010-03-18 21:38   ` Larry Finger
2010-03-19  7:36     ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2010-03-18 20:51 ` Nicolas de Pesloüan
2010-03-18 20:53 ` Johannes Berg
2010-03-18 21:10   ` Larry Finger
2010-03-18 21:20     ` Johannes Berg
2010-03-18 21:47       ` Larry Finger
2010-03-19 18:40     ` Kalle Valo
2010-03-19 19:08 ` [PATCH] ssb: do not read SPROM if it does not exist John W. Linville
2010-03-19 19:41   ` Michael Buesch
2010-03-19 19:46     ` Michael Buesch
2010-03-19 20:21     ` John W. Linville
2010-03-19 20:30       ` Michael Buesch
2010-03-19 20:31         ` John W. Linville
2010-03-19 20:33   ` [PATCH v2] " John W. Linville
2010-03-19 20:41     ` [PATCH v3] " John W. Linville
2010-03-19 21:12       ` Michael Buesch
2010-03-19 22:10         ` John W. Linville
2010-03-19 22:10         ` [PATCH v4] " John W. Linville

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