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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Ohad Ben-Cohen" <ohad@wizery.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org,
	Ido Yariv <ido@wizery.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] subtle pm_runtime_put_sync race and sdio functions
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:17:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201012202217.09374.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1012192226270.31110-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

On Monday, December 20, 2010, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > That said, I think we may do something different that perhaps will make your
> > life somewhat easier.
> > 
> > Namely, if your driver doesn't implement any system suspend callbacks
> > (i.e. ->suspend(), ->resume(), ->freeze(), ->thaw() etc.) and it doesn't
> > want the analogous subsystem callbacks to be executed for the device, it will
> > make sense to flag the device as "runtime only", or something like this,
> > which make the PM core skip the device in dpm_suspend() etc.
> > 
> > In that case, if a device if flagged as "runtime only", we can avoid
> > calling pm_runtime_get_noirq() for it in dpm_prepare() and, analogously,
> > calling pm_runtime_put_sync() for it in dpm_complete().  However, we will have
> > to fail system suspend (or hibernation) if a "runtime only" device has the
> > power.runtime_auto flag unset.
> 
> Or more generally, if pm_runtime_suspended() doesn't return 'true' for 
> the device.

That's not necessary, because the device may be suspended using
pm_runtime_suspend() later than we check pm_runtime_suspended().

I'd use the "runtime only" (or perhaps better "no_dpm") flag as a declaration
(if set) that the device is going to be suspended with the help of "runtime"
callbacks and the driver takes the responsibility for getting things right.

> But if the device gets suspended asynchronously, this may 
> very well happen.  For example, an i2c device is originally runtime 
> suspended, but its device_suspend() call occurs at the same time as the 
> call for the RTC device, so the i2c device actually happens to be 
> resumed at that time in order to communicate with the RTC.
> 
> > So, I think we can add a "runtime only" flag working as described above.
> > I guess it will also help in the case I've been discussing with Kevin for some
> > time (i2c device using runtime PM used by an RTC in a semi-transparent
> > fashion).
> > 
> > Alan, what do you think?
> 
> I'm not sure.  In this situation, should we worry more that we usually
> do about the possibility of a runtime resume occurring after the device
> has gone through device_suspend()?  Or just depend on the driver to do
> everything correctly?

The latter.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-20 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2010-12-18 16:00       ` [linux-pm] subtle pm_runtime_put_sync race and sdio functions Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-18 16:40         ` Johannes Berg
2010-12-18 19:08           ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-18 21:30             ` Alan Stern
2010-12-18 22:57               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-18 22:52             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-18 21:29           ` Alan Stern
2010-12-18 22:50           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-18 22:47         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-19  7:48           ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-19 10:22           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-20  3:37             ` Alan Stern
2010-12-20 21:17               ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2010-12-21  0:57                 ` Alan Stern
2010-12-21 21:31                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-22  1:42                     ` Alan Stern
2010-12-22 12:29                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-01-26 23:28                         ` Kevin Hilman
2011-01-27 18:13                           ` Alan Stern
2011-01-27 19:22                             ` Kevin Hilman
2011-01-27 19:49                               ` Alan Stern
2011-01-27 20:15                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2011-01-27 22:18                                   ` Vitaly Wool
2011-01-27 23:21                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-01-27 23:49                                     ` Kevin Hilman
2011-01-27 23:11                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-01-27 18:20                           ` Vitaly Wool
2011-01-27 18:54                             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-12-21 22:23             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-12-22  1:48               ` Alan Stern
2010-12-23  7:51             ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-23 16:03               ` Alan Stern
2010-12-25  7:34                 ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-25 16:21                   ` Alan Stern
2010-12-25 20:58                     ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-25 21:50                       ` Vitaly Wool
2010-12-26  5:27                         ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-25 21:54                       ` Vitaly Wool
2010-12-26  2:48                       ` Alan Stern
2010-12-26  5:55                         ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-26 11:45                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-26 12:43                             ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-26 18:35                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-28 19:11                                 ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-28 19:21                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-28 19:34                                     ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-28 20:36                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-26 14:53                             ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-26 18:37                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-28 19:15                                 ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-28 20:04                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-12-28 20:41                                     ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-26 17:00                           ` Alan Stern
2010-12-28 19:04                             ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-28 21:46                               ` Alan Stern
2010-12-29  6:34                                 ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-30  4:25                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-12-29  8:01                                 ` Ohad Ben-Cohen
2010-12-30  4:30                                   ` Alan Stern

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