wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[Bjørn Mork]

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As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does
allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database.  In
particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been
allowed.

The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc
which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db.
I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules.

The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz,
and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if
TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC.  As I don't
know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced
limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries.  This also matches the German
(DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense...

I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've
used whatever was in the regulations.  Please adjust as needed if only
mW or dB is acceptable.  Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch.


Patch attached.




References:

[1] Current Norwegian regulations:
  http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html

[2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations:
  http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf


[3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing
  status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries:
  http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF




Bjørn

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diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
index e63a43e..375187f 100644
--- a/db.txt
+++ b/db.txt
@@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL:
 	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
 	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
 
+# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
 country NO:
-	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
-	(5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
-	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
-	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
+	# § 7 (2)
+	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
+	# § 7 (3)
+	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW)
+	# § 7 (4)
+	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
+	# § 7 (5)
+	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
+	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
+	# § 7 (6)
+	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
+	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
 
 country NP:
 	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[John W. Linville]

Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group?

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does
> allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database.  In
> particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been
> allowed.
> 
> The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc
> which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db.
> I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules.
> 
> The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz,
> and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if
> TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC.  As I don't
> know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced
> limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries.  This also matches the German
> (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense...
> 
> I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've
> used whatever was in the regulations.  Please adjust as needed if only
> mW or dB is acceptable.  Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch.
> 
> 
> Patch attached.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] Current Norwegian regulations:
>   http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
> 
> [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations:
>   http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf
> 
> 
> [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing
>   status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries:
>   http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bjørn

> diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> index e63a43e..375187f 100644
> --- a/db.txt
> +++ b/db.txt
> @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL:
>  	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
>  	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
>  
> +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
>  country NO:
> -	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> -	(5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> -	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
> -	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
> +	# § 7 (2)
> +	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> +	# § 7 (3)
> +	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW)
> +	# § 7 (4)
> +	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
> +	# § 7 (5)
> +	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
> +	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
> +	# § 7 (6)
> +	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
> +	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
>  
>  country NP:
>  	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)


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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[John W. Linville]

Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
objection". :-)

Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well?

Thanks,

John

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does
> > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database.  In
> > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been
> > allowed.
> > 
> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc
> > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db.
> > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules.
> > 
> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz,
> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if
> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC.  As I don't
> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced
> > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries.  This also matches the German
> > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense...
> > 
> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've
> > used whatever was in the regulations.  Please adjust as needed if only
> > mW or dB is acceptable.  Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch.
> > 
> > 
> > Patch attached.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > References:
> > 
> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations:
> >   http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
> > 
> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations:
> >   http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing
> >   status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries:
> >   http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bjørn
> 
> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644
> > --- a/db.txt
> > +++ b/db.txt
> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL:
> >  	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
> >  	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
> >  
> > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
> >  country NO:
> > -	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> > -	(5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> > -	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
> > -	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
> > +	# § 7 (2)
> > +	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> > +	# § 7 (3)
> > +	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW)
> > +	# § 7 (4)
> > +	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
> > +	# § 7 (5)
> > +	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
> > +	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
> > +	# § 7 (6)
> > +	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
> > +	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
> >  
> >  country NP:
> >  	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> 
> 
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Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[Luis R. Rodriguez]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville
<linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote:
> Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
> objection". :-)

Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never
followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here
is our review.

The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec
and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides
deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being
recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for
EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for
any country in the EU.

Supporting changes like these are a deviation from what QCA is used to
using and testing and we unfortunately cannot verify any individual
country specific changes like the one proposed for the EU. It is also
our sentiment that we stand to gain more if we simply unify the EU
requirements through the harmonized spec, it provides simplicity, its
what we use and we can help in that regards. If wireless-regdb decides
to take a different path we simply will not be able to verify and
validate these changes. I'd be surprised if any other 802.11 vendor
differs from this position.

  Luis

> Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
>> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does
>> > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database.  In
>> > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been
>> > allowed.
>> >
>> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc
>> > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db.
>> > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules.
>> >
>> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz,
>> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if
>> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC.  As I don't
>> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced
>> > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries.  This also matches the German
>> > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense...
>> >
>> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've
>> > used whatever was in the regulations.  Please adjust as needed if only
>> > mW or dB is acceptable.  Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch.
>> >
>> >
>> > Patch attached.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > References:
>> >
>> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations:
>> >   http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
>> >
>> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations:
>> >   http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing
>> >   status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries:
>> >   http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bjørn
>>
>> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644
>> > --- a/db.txt
>> > +++ b/db.txt
>> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL:
>> >     (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
>> >     (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
>> >
>> > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
>> >  country NO:
>> > -   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>> > -   (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>> > -   (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
>> > -   (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
>> > +   # § 7 (2)
>> > +   (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
>> > +   # § 7 (3)
>> > +   (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW)
>> > +   # § 7 (4)
>> > +   (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
>> > +   # § 7 (5)
>> > +   (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
>> > +   (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
>> > +   # § 7 (6)
>> > +   (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
>> > +   (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
>> >
>> >  country NP:
>> >     (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>>
>>
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Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[Bjørn Mork]

"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> writes:

> Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
> objection". :-)
>
> Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well?

Sure.  Is this sufficient, or do you need the patch resent with it
included?


Signed-off-by: Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no>




> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
>> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group?
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does
>> > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database.  In
>> > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been
>> > allowed.
>> > 
>> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc
>> > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db.
>> > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules.
>> > 
>> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz,
>> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if
>> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC.  As I don't
>> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced
>> > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries.  This also matches the German
>> > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense...
>> > 
>> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've
>> > used whatever was in the regulations.  Please adjust as needed if only
>> > mW or dB is acceptable.  Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Patch attached.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > References:
>> > 
>> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations:
>> >   http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
>> > 
>> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations:
>> >   http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf
>> > 
>> > 
>> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing
>> >   status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries:
>> >   http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Bjørn
>> 
>> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
>> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644
>> > --- a/db.txt
>> > +++ b/db.txt
>> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL:
>> >  	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
>> >  	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
>> >  
>> > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
>> >  country NO:
>> > -	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>> > -	(5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>> > -	(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
>> > -	(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
>> > +	# § 7 (2)
>> > +	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
>> > +	# § 7 (3)
>> > +	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW)
>> > +	# § 7 (4)
>> > +	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
>> > +	# § 7 (5)
>> > +	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
>> > +	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
>> > +	# § 7 (6)
>> > +	(5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
>> > +	(5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
>> >  
>> >  country NP:
>> >  	(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
>> 
>> 
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Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[John W. Linville]

On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:41:31PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> writes:
> 
> > Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
> > objection". :-)
> >
> > Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well?
> 
> Sure.  Is this sufficient, or do you need the patch resent with it
> included?
> 
> 
> Signed-off-by: Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no>

Well, that's fine.  But be sure to read Luis's reply.  I'm not sure
we should take this patch.

John
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Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 07 Feb 2012, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville
> 
> <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote:
> > Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
> > objection". :-)
> 
> Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never
> followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here
> is our review.
> 
> The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec
> and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides
> deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being
> recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for
> EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for
> any country in the EU.
Except that Norway is not in the EU.

David
> 
> Supporting changes like these are a deviation from what QCA is used to
> using and testing and we unfortunately cannot verify any individual
> country specific changes like the one proposed for the EU. It is also
> our sentiment that we stand to gain more if we simply unify the EU
> requirements through the harmonized spec, it provides simplicity, its
> what we use and we can help in that regards. If wireless-regdb decides
> to take a different path we simply will not be able to verify and
> validate these changes. I'd be surprised if any other 802.11 vendor
> differs from this position.
> 
>   Luis
> 
> > Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
> >> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group?
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> >> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway
> >> > does allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database.
> >> >  In particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has
> >> > "always" been allowed.
> >> > 
> >> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities
> >> > etc which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the
> >> > db. I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules.
> >> > 
> >> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz,
> >> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if
> >> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC.  As I don't
> >> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the
> >> > reduced limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries.  This also matches
> >> > the German (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make
> >> > some sense...
> >> > 
> >> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so
> >> > I've used whatever was in the regulations.  Please adjust as needed
> >> > if only mW or dB is acceptable.  Or let me know and I'll provide an
> >> > updated patch.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Patch attached.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > References:
> >> > 
> >> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations:
> >> >  
> >> > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
> >> > 
> >> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an
> >> > unofficial english translation of these regulations:
> >> > http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_gen
> >> > eral_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about
> >> > licensing status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT
> >> > countries:
> >> > http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=htt
> >> > p://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > Bjørn
> >> > 
> >> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt
> >> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644
> >> > --- a/db.txt
> >> > +++ b/db.txt
> >> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL:
> >> >     (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
> >> >     (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
> >> > 
> >> > +# Data from
> >> > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html
> >> > country NO:
> >> > -   (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> >> > -   (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> >> > -   (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
> >> > -   (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
> >> > +   # § 7 (2)
> >> > +   (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> >> > +   # § 7 (3)
> >> > +   (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW)
> >> > +   # § 7 (4)
> >> > +   (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
> >> > +   # § 7 (5)
> >> > +   (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
> >> > +   (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS
> >> > +   # § 7 (6)
> >> > +   (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
> >> > +   (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY
> >> > 
> >> >  country NP:
> >> >     (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
> >> 
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Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[Luis R. Rodriguez]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM, David Goodenough
<david.goodenough@btconnect.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 Feb 2012, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville
>>
>> <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote:
>> > Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
>> > objection". :-)
>>
>> Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never
>> followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here
>> is our review.
>>
>> The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec
>> and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides
>> deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being
>> recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for
>> EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for
>> any country in the EU.
> Except that Norway is not in the EU.

Technically that is true, but Norway follows EEA (European economic
area) agreements and uses CE Marking and ETSI spec for conformance,
same as all the other "EU" countries.

The full list that follow harmonized ETSI conformance standards:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Rep, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,
France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein,
Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal,
Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, U.K.

31 countries

  Luis

Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO)

[Bjørn Mork]

"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@frijolero.org> writes:
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville
> <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote:
>> Well, sorry for the delay...  I will take this silence as "no
>> objection". :-)
>
> Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never
> followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here
> is our review.
>
> The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec
> and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides
> deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being
> recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for
> EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for
> any country in the EU.
>
> Supporting changes like these are a deviation from what QCA is used to
> using and testing and we unfortunately cannot verify any individual
> country specific changes like the one proposed for the EU. It is also
> our sentiment that we stand to gain more if we simply unify the EU
> requirements through the harmonized spec, it provides simplicity, its
> what we use and we can help in that regards. If wireless-regdb decides
> to take a different path we simply will not be able to verify and
> validate these changes. I'd be surprised if any other 802.11 vendor
> differs from this position.

I fully agree.

However, this should really be taken up with the regulatory bodies
deviating from the conformance spec.  It cannot simply be fixed by
ignoring it in the regulatory database. That just implies that the
regulatory database deviates from the regulations, and that's no good...

But if you want to put this change on hold and work towards harmonizing
the regulations instead, then I'm fine with that solution.


Bjørn