* wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) @ 2011-11-22 14:13 Bjørn Mork 2011-11-28 18:19 ` John W. Linville 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Bjørn Mork @ 2011-11-22 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linville; +Cc: wireless-regdb, linux-wireless, Robert Grønning [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1796 bytes --] As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database. In particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been allowed. The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db. I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules. The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz, and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC. As I don't know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries. This also matches the German (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense... I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've used whatever was in the regulations. Please adjust as needed if only mW or dB is acceptable. Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch. Patch attached. References: [1] Current Norwegian regulations: http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations: http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries: http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF Bjørn [-- Attachment #2: no-db.diff --] [-- Type: text/x-diff, Size: 855 bytes --] diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt index e63a43e..375187f 100644 --- a/db.txt +++ b/db.txt @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL: (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html country NO: - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS + # § 7 (2) + (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) + # § 7 (3) + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW) + # § 7 (4) + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS + # § 7 (5) + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS + # § 7 (6) + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY country NP: (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2011-11-22 14:13 wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) Bjørn Mork @ 2011-11-28 18:19 ` John W. Linville 2012-02-07 19:54 ` John W. Linville 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: John W. Linville @ 2011-11-28 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bjørn Mork; +Cc: wireless-regdb, linux-wireless, Robert Grønning Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group? On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database. In > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been > allowed. > > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db. > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules. > > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz, > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC. As I don't > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries. This also matches the German > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense... > > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've > used whatever was in the regulations. Please adjust as needed if only > mW or dB is acceptable. Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch. > > > Patch attached. > > > > > References: > > [1] Current Norwegian regulations: > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html > > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations: > http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf > > > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing > status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries: > http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF > > > > > Bjørn > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt > index e63a43e..375187f 100644 > --- a/db.txt > +++ b/db.txt > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL: > (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS > (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS > > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html > country NO: > - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS > - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS > + # § 7 (2) > + (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) > + # § 7 (3) > + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW) > + # § 7 (4) > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS > + # § 7 (5) > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS > + # § 7 (6) > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY > > country NP: > (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2011-11-28 18:19 ` John W. Linville @ 2012-02-07 19:54 ` John W. Linville 2012-02-07 20:37 ` [wireless-regdb] " Luis R. Rodriguez 2012-02-07 20:41 ` Bjørn Mork 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: John W. Linville @ 2012-02-07 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bjørn Mork; +Cc: wireless-regdb, linux-wireless, Robert Grønning Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no objection". :-) Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well? Thanks, John On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote: > Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group? > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does > > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database. In > > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been > > allowed. > > > > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc > > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db. > > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules. > > > > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz, > > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if > > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC. As I don't > > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced > > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries. This also matches the German > > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense... > > > > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've > > used whatever was in the regulations. Please adjust as needed if only > > mW or dB is acceptable. Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch. > > > > > > Patch attached. > > > > > > > > > > References: > > > > [1] Current Norwegian regulations: > > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html > > > > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations: > > http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf > > > > > > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing > > status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries: > > http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF > > > > > > > > > > Bjørn > > > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt > > index e63a43e..375187f 100644 > > --- a/db.txt > > +++ b/db.txt > > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL: > > (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS > > (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS > > > > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html > > country NO: > > - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > > - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > > - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS > > - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS > > + # § 7 (2) > > + (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) > > + # § 7 (3) > > + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW) > > + # § 7 (4) > > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS > > + # § 7 (5) > > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS > > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS > > + # § 7 (6) > > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY > > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY > > > > country NP: > > (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > > > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2012-02-07 19:54 ` John W. Linville @ 2012-02-07 20:37 ` Luis R. Rodriguez 2012-02-07 22:47 ` David Goodenough 2012-02-08 8:55 ` Bjørn Mork 2012-02-07 20:41 ` Bjørn Mork 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Luis R. Rodriguez @ 2012-02-07 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John W. Linville, Michael Green, Tomas Winkler Cc: Bjørn Mork, linux-wireless, wireless-regdb, Robert Grønning On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote: > Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no > objection". :-) Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here is our review. The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for any country in the EU. Supporting changes like these are a deviation from what QCA is used to using and testing and we unfortunately cannot verify any individual country specific changes like the one proposed for the EU. It is also our sentiment that we stand to gain more if we simply unify the EU requirements through the harmonized spec, it provides simplicity, its what we use and we can help in that regards. If wireless-regdb decides to take a different path we simply will not be able to verify and validate these changes. I'd be surprised if any other 802.11 vendor differs from this position. Luis > Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well? > > Thanks, > > John > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote: >> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group? >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does >> > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database. In >> > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been >> > allowed. >> > >> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc >> > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db. >> > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules. >> > >> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz, >> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if >> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC. As I don't >> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced >> > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries. This also matches the German >> > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense... >> > >> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've >> > used whatever was in the regulations. Please adjust as needed if only >> > mW or dB is acceptable. Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch. >> > >> > >> > Patch attached. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > References: >> > >> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations: >> > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html >> > >> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations: >> > http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf >> > >> > >> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing >> > status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries: >> > http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Bjørn >> >> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt >> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644 >> > --- a/db.txt >> > +++ b/db.txt >> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL: >> > (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS >> > (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS >> > >> > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html >> > country NO: >> > - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) >> > - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) >> > - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS >> > - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS >> > + # § 7 (2) >> > + (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) >> > + # § 7 (3) >> > + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW) >> > + # § 7 (4) >> > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS >> > + # § 7 (5) >> > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS >> > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS >> > + # § 7 (6) >> > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY >> > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY >> > >> > country NP: >> > (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) >> >> >> -- >> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >> linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> > > -- > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you > linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. > > _______________________________________________ > wireless-regdb mailing list > wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2012-02-07 20:37 ` [wireless-regdb] " Luis R. Rodriguez @ 2012-02-07 22:47 ` David Goodenough 2012-02-07 23:05 ` Luis R. Rodriguez 2012-02-08 8:55 ` Bjørn Mork 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: David Goodenough @ 2012-02-07 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-wireless On Tuesday 07 Feb 2012, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville > > <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote: > > Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no > > objection". :-) > > Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never > followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here > is our review. > > The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec > and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides > deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being > recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for > EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for > any country in the EU. Except that Norway is not in the EU. David > > Supporting changes like these are a deviation from what QCA is used to > using and testing and we unfortunately cannot verify any individual > country specific changes like the one proposed for the EU. It is also > our sentiment that we stand to gain more if we simply unify the EU > requirements through the harmonized spec, it provides simplicity, its > what we use and we can help in that regards. If wireless-regdb decides > to take a different path we simply will not be able to verify and > validate these changes. I'd be surprised if any other 802.11 vendor > differs from this position. > > Luis > > > Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote: > >> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group? > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > >> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway > >> > does allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database. > >> > In particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has > >> > "always" been allowed. > >> > > >> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities > >> > etc which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the > >> > db. I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules. > >> > > >> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz, > >> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if > >> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC. As I don't > >> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the > >> > reduced limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries. This also matches > >> > the German (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make > >> > some sense... > >> > > >> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so > >> > I've used whatever was in the regulations. Please adjust as needed > >> > if only mW or dB is acceptable. Or let me know and I'll provide an > >> > updated patch. > >> > > >> > > >> > Patch attached. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > References: > >> > > >> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations: > >> > > >> > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html > >> > > >> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an > >> > unofficial english translation of these regulations: > >> > http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_gen > >> > eral_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf > >> > > >> > > >> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about > >> > licensing status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT > >> > countries: > >> > http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=htt > >> > p://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bjørn > >> > > >> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt > >> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644 > >> > --- a/db.txt > >> > +++ b/db.txt > >> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL: > >> > (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS > >> > (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS > >> > > >> > +# Data from > >> > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html > >> > country NO: > >> > - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > >> > - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > >> > - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS > >> > - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS > >> > + # § 7 (2) > >> > + (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) > >> > + # § 7 (3) > >> > + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW) > >> > + # § 7 (4) > >> > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS > >> > + # § 7 (5) > >> > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS > >> > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS > >> > + # § 7 (6) > >> > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY > >> > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY > >> > > >> > country NP: > >> > (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) > >> > >> -- > >> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and > >> you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. > >> Be ready. -- > >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe > >> linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > > > -- > > John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and > > you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be > > ready. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wireless-regdb mailing list > > wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org > > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless-regdb > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" > in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2012-02-07 22:47 ` David Goodenough @ 2012-02-07 23:05 ` Luis R. Rodriguez 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Luis R. Rodriguez @ 2012-02-07 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Goodenough, wireless-regdb, Michael Green; +Cc: linux-wireless On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM, David Goodenough <david.goodenough@btconnect.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 07 Feb 2012, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville >> >> <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote: >> > Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no >> > objection". :-) >> >> Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never >> followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here >> is our review. >> >> The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec >> and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides >> deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being >> recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for >> EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for >> any country in the EU. > Except that Norway is not in the EU. Technically that is true, but Norway follows EEA (European economic area) agreements and uses CE Marking and ETSI spec for conformance, same as all the other "EU" countries. The full list that follow harmonized ETSI conformance standards: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Rep, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, U.K. 31 countries Luis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2012-02-07 20:37 ` [wireless-regdb] " Luis R. Rodriguez 2012-02-07 22:47 ` David Goodenough @ 2012-02-08 8:55 ` Bjørn Mork 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Bjørn Mork @ 2012-02-08 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Luis R. Rodriguez Cc: John W. Linville, Michael Green, Tomas Winkler, linux-wireless, wireless-regdb, Robert Grønning "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@frijolero.org> writes: > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, John W. Linville > <linville@tuxdriver.com> wrote: >> Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no >> objection". :-) > > Sorry, I did get a reply by Michael Green on 11/28/2011 but I never > followed up with the list. Apologies as well with the delay, but here > is our review. > > The European Union has some harmonized European radio conformance spec > and QCA's interpretation and position is that that spec overrides > deviations for end products for specific countries like the one being > recommended for Norway. This also means that QCA does not deviate for > EU countries on specs, even if countries have their own quirks, for > any country in the EU. > > Supporting changes like these are a deviation from what QCA is used to > using and testing and we unfortunately cannot verify any individual > country specific changes like the one proposed for the EU. It is also > our sentiment that we stand to gain more if we simply unify the EU > requirements through the harmonized spec, it provides simplicity, its > what we use and we can help in that regards. If wireless-regdb decides > to take a different path we simply will not be able to verify and > validate these changes. I'd be surprised if any other 802.11 vendor > differs from this position. I fully agree. However, this should really be taken up with the regulatory bodies deviating from the conformance spec. It cannot simply be fixed by ignoring it in the regulatory database. That just implies that the regulatory database deviates from the regulations, and that's no good... But if you want to put this change on hold and work towards harmonizing the regulations instead, then I'm fine with that solution. Bjørn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2012-02-07 19:54 ` John W. Linville 2012-02-07 20:37 ` [wireless-regdb] " Luis R. Rodriguez @ 2012-02-07 20:41 ` Bjørn Mork 2012-02-07 20:42 ` John W. Linville 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Bjørn Mork @ 2012-02-07 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John W. Linville; +Cc: linux-wireless, wireless-regdb, Robert Grønning "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> writes: > Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no > objection". :-) > > Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well? Sure. Is this sufficient, or do you need the patch resent with it included? Signed-off-by: Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 01:19:12PM -0500, John W. Linville wrote: >> Any comments from the regulatory experts in the group? >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:13:22PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> > As mentioned by Robert Grønning <slimg at iggu.org> in June, Norway does >> > allow a few more bands than what's currently in the database. In >> > particular, the old ISM band at 5725 - 5875 MHz is and has "always" been >> > allowed. >> > >> > The regulations [1] have some weird restrictions wrt power densities etc >> > which I have no idea how to describe in a format suitable for the db. >> > I've tried my best to make sure the entries are within the rules. >> > >> > The regulations also allow up to 1 W eirp in the band 5470 - 5725 MHz, >> > and up to 4 W eirp in the bands 5725 - 5795 MHz and 5815 - 5850 MHz if >> > TPC is in use. The limits are reduced by 3dB without TPC. As I don't >> > know how to express the TPC requirement, I've chosen to put the reduced >> > limits (500 mW and 2 W) in the db entries. This also matches the German >> > (DE) entry for 5470 - 5725 MHz, so I guess it must make some sense... >> > >> > I also have no idea which SI prefixes you allow in the database, so I've >> > used whatever was in the regulations. Please adjust as needed if only >> > mW or dB is acceptable. Or let me know and I'll provide an updated patch. >> > >> > >> > Patch attached. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > References: >> > >> > [1] Current Norwegian regulations: >> > http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html >> > >> > [2] The Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority provides an unofficial english translation of these regulations: >> > http://www.npt.no/ikbViewer/Content/103810/Regulations_concerning_general_authorisations_for_the_use_of_radio_frequencies.pdf >> > >> > >> > [3] Appendix 1 of ERC/REC 70-03 provides generic information about licensing >> > status for Short Range Devices (SRD) in most CEPT countries: >> > http://www.ecodocdb.dk/doks/filedownload.aspx?fileid=1694&fileurl=http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC7003E.PDF >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Bjørn >> >> > diff --git a/db.txt b/db.txt >> > index e63a43e..375187f 100644 >> > --- a/db.txt >> > +++ b/db.txt >> > @@ -469,11 +469,20 @@ country NL: >> > (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS >> > (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS >> > >> > +# Data from http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/ldles?doc=/sf/sf/sf-20090602-0580.html >> > country NO: >> > - (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) >> > - (5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20) >> > - (5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS >> > - (5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS >> > + # § 7 (2) >> > + (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW) >> > + # § 7 (3) >> > + (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW) >> > + # § 7 (4) >> > + (5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS >> > + # § 7 (5) >> > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS >> > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (N/A, 2 W), DFS >> > + # § 7 (6) >> > + (5725 - 5795 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY >> > + (5815 - 5850 @ 40), (23, 1 W), DFS, PTP-ONLY >> > >> > country NP: >> > (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20) >> >> >> -- >> John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you >> linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Norway (NO) 2012-02-07 20:41 ` Bjørn Mork @ 2012-02-07 20:42 ` John W. Linville 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: John W. Linville @ 2012-02-07 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bjørn Mork; +Cc: linux-wireless, wireless-regdb, Robert Grønning On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:41:31PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com> writes: > > > Well, sorry for the delay... I will take this silence as "no > > objection". :-) > > > > Bjørn, could you give me a "Signed-off-by" line as well? > > Sure. Is this sufficient, or do you need the patch resent with it > included? > > > Signed-off-by: Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> Well, that's fine. But be sure to read Luis's reply. I'm not sure we should take this patch. John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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