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From: Simon Wunderlich <simon.wunderlich@s2003.tu-chemnitz.de>
To: Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@googlemail.com>
Cc: Simon Wunderlich <simon.wunderlich@s2003.tu-chemnitz.de>,
	Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linville@tuxdriver.com,
	mathias.kretschmer@fokus.fraunhofer.de,
	Simon Wunderlich <siwu@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nl80211: allow ad-hoc to set WMM parameters from outside
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:33:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130109143304.GA23469@pandem0nium> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201301091510.49723.chunkeey@googlemail.com>

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Hello Christian,

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 03:10:49PM +0100, Christian Lamparter wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 09, 2013 02:15:40 PM Simon Wunderlich wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 09:28:44AM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> > > I still populate the WME fields; I need to "fix" paying attention to
> > > them in the adhoc case.
> > 
> > Applying the EDCA parameters in the hardware and sending "standard" WME IEs
> > (without EDCA parameter sets) is understandable, Linux does that too. 
> 
> Well, the WFA WMM Specification v1.2 costs $99 (last time I checked, which wasn't
> too long ago). However Johannes told me that the WMM IE should not be added
> to IBSS beacons.

I don't have the spec, and I don't intend to buy it. :)

But: We do have WMM IE sent by Linux IBSS STAs even today. The difference to the AP
WMM IEs is that it doesn't include EDCA parameters (cwmin/max, aifs, ...). But still,
this is useful to detect that the other IBBS station is WMM-capable: we can then
use QOS_DATA frames, use noack, etc ...
> 
> However, we can still pack some EDCA parameters into beacons, probe/(re-)assoc
> resps because there's an alternative IE. The "EDCA Parameter Set IE" is part of
> 802.11-2012 8.4.2.31 - The Element ID is 12 [Table 8-54].

Ah didn't know that - thanks for pointing that out. Although I'm still in favor of
not sending anything in IBSS and do local changes only. :)
> 
> [Note: It's worth mentioning that the WFA WMM spec was just a stop-gap measure
> until 802.11e was ready. Here's an article which explains this weird bit of
> history, unfortunately it is in German
> <http://www.heise.de/netze/artikel/Parallelnorm-WMM-223736.html>]
> 
> Regards,
> 	Chr

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-09 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-27 18:50 [PATCH] Allow to set WMM parameters in IBSS mode Simon Wunderlich
2012-11-27 18:50 ` [PATCH] nl80211: allow ad-hoc to set WMM parameters from outside Simon Wunderlich
2012-11-28 14:01   ` Johannes Berg
2012-11-30 13:43     ` Simon Wunderlich
2012-12-28 15:05       ` Johannes Berg
2012-12-30 23:33         ` Simon Wunderlich
2013-01-01 23:46           ` Adrian Chadd
2013-01-02 12:58             ` Johannes Berg
2013-01-02 13:36               ` Christian Lamparter
2013-01-02 14:41                 ` Johannes Berg
2013-01-08 14:13                   ` Simon Wunderlich
2013-01-08 17:28                     ` Adrian Chadd
2013-01-09 13:15                       ` Simon Wunderlich
2013-01-09 14:10                         ` Christian Lamparter
2013-01-09 14:33                           ` Simon Wunderlich [this message]
2013-01-09 20:01                             ` Christian Lamparter
2012-11-27 18:50 ` [PATCH] iw: allow to set wmm parameters from iw Simon Wunderlich
2012-11-27 21:14   ` [PATCHv2] " Simon Wunderlich

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