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From: Petko Manolov <petkan@mip-labs.com>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, james.l.morris@oracle.com,
	serge@hallyn.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Kyle McMartin <kyle@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <david.woodhouse@intel.com>,
	Joey Lee <jlee@suse.de>, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	mricon@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFD] linux-firmware key arrangement for firmware signing
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 18:53:19 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150521155319.GG18164@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150521154508.GA11821@kroah.com>

On 15-05-21 08:45:08, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 09:05:21AM -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > 
> > Signatures don't provide any guarantees as to code quality or
> > correctness.   They do provide file integrity and provenance.  In
> > addition to the license and a Signed-off-by line, having the firmware
> > provider include a signature of the firmware would be nice.
> 
> That would be "nice", but that's not going to be happening here, from what I 
> can tell.  The firmware provider should be putting the signature inside the 
> firmware image itself, and verifying it on the device, in order to properly 
> "know" that it should be running that firmware.  The kernel shouldn't be 
> involved here at all, as Alan pointed out.

It is device's job to verify firmware's correctness.  It is user's job to verify 
vendor's identity.  Two different things, not related to each other.

I think Alan meant something else.  What i read is that if somebody have 
physical access to the device they may harm the device much easier and would 
not bother to tamper with firmware.

> > > What is verifying a firmware image signature in the kernel attesting
> > > that isn't already known in userspace?
> > 
> > Appraising and enforcing firmware integrity before use.
> 
> That should be done on the device itself, not in the kernel.

Oh, well...

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-21 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-19 20:02 [RFD] linux-firmware key arrangement for firmware signing Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 20:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 20:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-19 22:11   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 22:40     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 15:51     ` David Howells
2015-05-21 16:30       ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-21 16:39       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 16:51         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:55           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 17:44             ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:43       ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 16:58           ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 16:59         ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 23:30   ` Julian Calaby
2015-05-19 23:42     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20  0:39       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-20  0:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 22:26           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 23:15             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-05-19 21:48 ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 22:19   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 23:37     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-20  0:22       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-20  1:06         ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-20  1:29           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20  2:05             ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-20  2:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20 15:49                 ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-20 16:08         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-20 14:04 ` Seth Forshee
2015-05-20 15:08   ` David Howells
2015-05-20 15:47     ` Seth Forshee
2015-05-21 16:23       ` David Howells
2015-05-20 16:24   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-20 16:46     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21  4:41       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-21  5:41         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21  6:14           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-21 13:05             ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-21 15:45               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-21 15:53                 ` Petko Manolov [this message]
2015-05-21 16:57                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-05-26 17:08                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-26 19:15                     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-26 19:52                     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-26 23:06                     ` David Howells
2015-05-21 16:03                 ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-21 16:22                   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-21 16:31                     ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-21 17:02                   ` gregkh
2015-05-21 17:14                     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 18:23                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 18:30                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 19:32                     ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-21 17:49                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 14:45             ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 22:50     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-20 20:35   ` Kyle McMartin
2015-05-20 15:14 ` David Howells

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