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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: Kalle Valo <kvalo@kernel.org>
Cc: Marc Gonzalez <mgonzalez@freebox.fr>,
	Jeff Johnson <quic_jjohnson@quicinc.com>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	DT <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pierre-Hugues Husson <phhusson@freebox.fr>,
	Jami Kettunen <jamipkettunen@gmail.com>,
	Jeffrey Hugo <quic_jhugo@quicinc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] dt-bindings: net: wireless: ath10k: add qcom,no-msa-ready-indicator prop
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 18:40:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240229-ageless-primal-7a0544420949@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wmqoilzf.fsf@kernel.org>

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On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 06:37:08PM +0200, Kalle Valo wrote:
> Marc Gonzalez <mgonzalez@freebox.fr> writes:

> > As mentioned in my other reply, there are several msm8998-based
> > devices affected by this issue. Is it not appropriate to consider
> > a kernel-based work-around?
> 
> Sorry, not following you here. But I'll try to answer anyway:
> 
> I have understood that Device Tree is supposed to describe hardware, not
> software. This is why having this property in DT does not look right
> place for this. For example, if the ath10k firmware is fixed then DT
> would have to be changed even though nothing changed in hardware. But of
> course DT maintainers have the final say.

I dunno, if the firmware affects the functionality of the hardware in a
way that cannot be detected from the operating system at runtime how
else is it supposed to deal with that?
The devicetree is supposed to describe hardware, yes, but at a certain
point the line between firmware and hardware is invisible :)
Not describing software is mostly about not using it to determine
software policy in the operating system.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-29 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-28 13:22 [PATCH 0/2] Work around missing MSA_READY indicator from ath10k FW Marc Gonzalez
2024-02-28 13:24 ` [PATCH 1/2] dt-bindings: net: wireless: ath10k: add qcom,no-msa-ready-indicator prop Marc Gonzalez
2024-02-28 14:03   ` Kalle Valo
2024-02-28 16:12     ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-02-28 16:37       ` Kalle Valo
2024-02-28 17:19         ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-01  8:10           ` Kalle Valo
2024-03-04 15:51             ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-05 14:31               ` Kalle Valo
2024-03-05 17:32                 ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-05 19:20                   ` Kalle Valo
2024-03-13 15:09                     ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-13 15:48                       ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-03-13 15:53                       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-03-14 12:31                         ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-14 12:52                           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-03-18 16:56                         ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-19 13:47                           ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-19 14:39                             ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-19 17:05                               ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-26 15:04                       ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-26 17:45                         ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-26 17:51                           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-03-26 20:21                             ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-28 17:09                               ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-02-29 18:40         ` Conor Dooley [this message]
2024-02-29 19:46           ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-07 15:29             ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-07 16:46               ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-14 14:33                 ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-14 17:52                   ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-14 19:28                     ` Jeff Johnson
2024-03-04 16:21           ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-04 19:34             ` Conor Dooley
2024-03-04 19:37               ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-03-04 19:45                 ` Conor Dooley
2024-03-04 19:59                   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-03-04 20:17                     ` Conor Dooley
2024-03-04 20:21                       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-03-05  8:04                         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-03-05 13:41               ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-03-05 15:02             ` Kalle Valo
2024-03-05 14:45           ` Kalle Valo
2024-02-28 14:59   ` Jeff Johnson
2024-02-28 16:00     ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-02-29 15:49     ` Marc Gonzalez
2024-02-28 13:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] wifi: ath10k: work around missing MSA_READY indicator Marc Gonzalez

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