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From: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>
To: <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: <alexandre.ferrieux@gmail.com>, <kuni1840@gmail.com>,
	<kuniyu@amazon.com>, <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 wl-next 1/3] wifi: wext: Move wext_nlevents to net->gen[].
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 16:58:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241016235850.29495-1-kuniyu@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f677361da9e1e4bb032e62301255ab705252e016.camel@sipsolutions.net>

From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 10:56:44 +0200
> +netdev, I think we're starting to discuss more general things :)
> 
> On Tue, 2024-10-15 at 17:49 -0700, Kuniyuki Iwashima wrote:
> > From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
> > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 08:36:24 +0200
> > > On Mon, 2024-10-14 at 13:55 -0700, Kuniyuki Iwashima wrote:
> > > > CONFIG_WEXT_CORE cannot be built as a module
> > > 
> > > Isn't that precisely an argument for _not_ using net->gen[] with all the
> > > additional dynamic allocations that implies?
> > 
> > Exactly...
> > 
> > Recently I was thinking most of the structs in struct net (except for
> > first-class citizens like ipv4/ipv6) should use net->gen[] given the
> > distro kernel enables most configs.
> 
> Wait I'm confused, to me it seems you're contradicting yourself? :)

Sorry, I meant the above is for module :)

> 
> If we agree that making it use net->gen[] is more overhead since it
> requires additional allocations (which necessarily require more memory
> due to alignment etc., but even without that because now you needed
> wext_net->net too) ...
> 
> Then why do you think more should use net->gen[] if it's built-in?
> 
> > But yes, WEXT is always built-in.
> 
> I can see an argument for things that aren't always present, obviously,
> like bonding and pktgen, but I don't see much of an argument for things
> like wext that are either present or not?
> 
> > Probably because wext_nlevents was just before a cacheline
> > on my setup ?
> > 
> > $ pahole -EC net vmlinux | grep net_generic -C 30
> > ...
> > 	} wext_nlevents; /*  2536    24 */
> > 	/* --- cacheline 40 boundary (2560 bytes) --- */
> > 	struct net_generic *       gen;                                                  /*  2560     8 */
> 
> I'd argue that doesn't really mean it makes sense to pull it into
> net->gen (where it gets accessed via two indirect pointers)?
> 
> That's an argument for reordering things there perhaps, but in struct
> net that's probably not too much of an issue unless it shares a
> cacheline with something that's used all the time?

Yes, avoiding false shareing would be the only reason to use ->gen[]
for builtin.

I'll drop the patch 1 in v2.

Btw, why WEXT cannot be module ?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-16 23:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-14 20:55 [PATCH v1 wl-next 0/3] wifi: wext: Namespacify wireless_nlevent_flush() calls Kuniyuki Iwashima
2024-10-14 20:55 ` [PATCH v1 wl-next 1/3] wifi: wext: Move wext_nlevents to net->gen[] Kuniyuki Iwashima
2024-10-15  6:36   ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-16  0:49     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2024-10-16  8:56       ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-16 23:58         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima [this message]
2024-10-17  8:06           ` Johannes Berg
2024-10-14 20:55 ` [PATCH v1 wl-next 2/3] wifi: wext: Convert wireless_nlevent_work to per-netns work Kuniyuki Iwashima
2024-10-14 20:55 ` [PATCH v1 wl-next 3/3] wifi: wext: Don't iterate all netns in wireless_nlevent_flush() Kuniyuki Iwashima

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