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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: wens@kernel.org, Alexander Wilhelm <alexander.wilhelm@westermo.com>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: wireless-regdb: Wrong ETSI tranmit power without TPC
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 10:38:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <424fc6a24f3af233fc70296b9995a97c2d7f9e17.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGb2v676sXN_eC9s6_2a6k2ACzf3n5jBgY_id22ruoz+Zb-Jaw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2025-05-16 at 16:15 +0800, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote:
> > The frequencies 5470 - 5725 have a power of 500 mW. It results in 26 dBm. But I
> > believe 27 dBm are allowed.

Seems like. But units are hard...

The link in the db went stale, but the current versions

https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Sachgebiete/Telekommunikation/Unternehmen_Institutionen/Frequenzen/Allgemeinzuteilungen/MobilfunkDectWlanCBFunk/WLAN_5GHz_pdf.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1

states (page 5):

--------------------
Frequenzband 5470–5725 MHz
...
Maximale mittlere EIRP für
bandinterne Aussendungen

1 W
Ausnahmen:
für Anlagen in Straßenfahrzeugen gilt eine maximale
mittlere EIRP von 200 mW.

...

Maximale mittlere EIRP-Dichte für
bandinterne Aussendungen

50 mW/MHz in jedem 1 MHz-Band

...

Sendeleistungsregelung (TPC)

TPC muss durchschnittlich einen Abschwächungsfaktor von
mindestens 3 dB gegenüber der höchstzulässigen
Sendeleistung der Systeme erbringen; oder ohne TPC muss die
höchstzulässige mittlere EIRP und die Obergrenze für die
entsprechende mittlere EIRP-Dichte um 3 dB verringert
werden.
--------------------


So to be _really_ precise you'd end up with 1W reduced by 3dB which of
course _is_ precisely 27dBm since 1W is 10^30 or precisely 30 dBm.

(Except in "street vehicles", apparently. Rail has its own things, so I
guess that really does mean cars/trams/etc.)

But given the unit conversions are hard, we should probably just do this
in the db in dBm?

johannes

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-16  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-06 13:13 wireless-regdb: Wrong ETSI tranmit power without TPC Alexander Wilhelm
2025-05-16  8:15 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2025-05-16  8:26   ` Johannes Berg
2025-05-16  8:38   ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2025-05-16  8:39     ` Johannes Berg
2025-05-16  9:22     ` Alexander Wilhelm
2025-05-16  9:29       ` Johannes Berg
2025-05-16  9:14   ` Alexander Wilhelm

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