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From: James Ketrenos <jketreno@linux.intel.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us>,
	ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Axj <axjslack@bluebottle.com>
Subject: Re: [ipw3945-devel] Request for help...
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:01:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A7034C.6070006@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A69359.4030201@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:

> Intel is definitely not releasing early and often" from the LKML perspective.

I agree the cadence to >>linux-wireless<< has been lacking.  But Intel
is releasing early and often.  You can check their GIT logs and snapshot
history as evidence of that.

I am very hopeful that the people working on the 802.11n and HT patches, 
as well as the developers working on the iwlwifi drivers, will get their
patches together and submitted to linux-wireless for inclusion.  

I am also hopeful that those patches will be evaluated on the merit and
value of the functionality they enable.  

<soapbox>

If people on linux-wireless don't want contributors to go off and 
spend weeks / months at a time working in another sandbox, on another 
mailing list, or in a different development community, maybe the 
general attitude and approach of the maintainers on linux-wireless 
needs to be one which facilitates those individual's contributions, 
and helps in encouraging them to do more in the future.  Even if those
contributors work for a Big Hardware Vendor.

Working with a community should augment development, not complicate 
it or become a burden to it.  People should feel better about their 
contributions after engaging in a thread in a community where one 
of their patches is reviewed; they should feel like progress has been
made, their contributions have been shared, and now others can benefit
from them -- they should not walk away feeling demoralized and berated
for trying.

More often than not, my time on linux-wireless has left me feeling 
like the later.

<soapbox/>

James

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-25  5:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-24 15:02 Request for help Axj
2007-07-24 16:12 ` John W. Linville
2007-07-24 18:29   ` [ipw3945-devel] " Stephen Clark
2007-07-24 20:30     ` John W. Linville
2007-07-24 21:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  1:15         ` James Ketrenos
2007-07-25  0:03           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  0:30             ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  0:35               ` David Miller
2007-07-25  0:43                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  0:46                   ` David Miller
2007-07-25  1:05                     ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  1:18                       ` David Miller
2007-07-25  1:23                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  1:29                         ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  1:40                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  1:40                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  0:45               ` Maurizio Monge
2007-07-25  1:35               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  8:01             ` James Ketrenos [this message]
2007-07-25 14:50               ` John W. Linville
2007-07-27 12:36               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25 14:46             ` John W. Linville
2007-07-25 15:19               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  9:32 ` Zhu Yi
2007-07-26 15:10   ` Axj
2007-07-26 16:22     ` Pavel Roskin
2007-07-27  6:34       ` Axj
2007-07-27  7:44         ` Zhu Yi
2007-07-27  8:48           ` Axj
     [not found]           ` <200707270848.l6R8mqkh004526@mi1.bluebottle.com>
2007-07-27  8:56             ` Zhu Yi
2007-07-27  9:10               ` Axj
2007-07-30  0:58                 ` Zhu Yi
2007-08-01  6:40                   ` Axj

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