From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mga06.intel.com ([134.134.136.21]:49526 "EHLO orsmga101.jf.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752564AbXGYFy6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <46A7034C.6070006@linux.intel.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:01:16 -0700 From: James Ketrenos MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Garzik CC: "John W. Linville" , Stephen Clark , ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Axj Subject: Re: [ipw3945-devel] Request for help... References: <1185289332.46a61474a444c@mail.bluebottle.com> <20070724161226.GA24344@tuxdriver.com> <46A64503.1080003@seclark.us> <20070724203035.GG24344@tuxdriver.com> <46A66B63.6030006@garzik.org> <46A6A447.2080903@linux.intel.com> <46A69359.4030201@garzik.org> In-Reply-To: <46A69359.4030201@garzik.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Jeff Garzik wrote: > Intel is definitely not releasing early and often" from the LKML perspective. I agree the cadence to >>linux-wireless<< has been lacking. But Intel is releasing early and often. You can check their GIT logs and snapshot history as evidence of that. I am very hopeful that the people working on the 802.11n and HT patches, as well as the developers working on the iwlwifi drivers, will get their patches together and submitted to linux-wireless for inclusion. I am also hopeful that those patches will be evaluated on the merit and value of the functionality they enable. If people on linux-wireless don't want contributors to go off and spend weeks / months at a time working in another sandbox, on another mailing list, or in a different development community, maybe the general attitude and approach of the maintainers on linux-wireless needs to be one which facilitates those individual's contributions, and helps in encouraging them to do more in the future. Even if those contributors work for a Big Hardware Vendor. Working with a community should augment development, not complicate it or become a burden to it. People should feel better about their contributions after engaging in a thread in a community where one of their patches is reviewed; they should feel like progress has been made, their contributions have been shared, and now others can benefit from them -- they should not walk away feeling demoralized and berated for trying. More often than not, my time on linux-wireless has left me feeling like the later. James