* [Fwd: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24]
@ 2008-04-27 14:32 Charles Figura
2008-04-27 21:18 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Charles Figura @ 2008-04-27 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-wireless
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I'm running Ubuntu Hardy with the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel.
I've followed the log approach laid out by Luis Rodriguez below,
and attached the corresponding dmesg output.
As you see, the modprobe FAILS due to lots of unknown symbols.
Oh, one other note that I hadn't mentioned before. I've found
that a 'sudo make uninstall' doesn't get rid of the module - at
least, it doesn't reset the module list. If I follow a 'sudo make
uninstall' by 'sudo modprobe iwl3945', it tries to insert the same
(faulty) module. Only by rebooting is the original restored.
How do I update the module list after doing a make uninstall?
Thanks - hope this helps!
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:14:20 -0700
From: Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@gmail.com>
To: Charles Figura <charles.figura@wartburg.edu>
References: <4810F9BC.7030104@wartburg.edu>
<43e72e890804252146y600b6b40x738e0826bc492b0@mail.gmail.com>
<4813700F.5050108@wartburg.edu>
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Charles Figura
<charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
> Luis -
>
> Thanks for the response. I did, actually, do a 'make unload' before
> loading the new module. And the error I sent you was actually from
> loading the single module I need - the iwl3945 module.
>
> So I'm still back where I started, I think.
Please reply to the list explaining this, Intel reads linux-wireless
so they can help if its their driver.
Do this:
Reboot.
sudo dmesg -c > log1
less log1 # review it to make sure there are no oops
sudo make unload
sudo dmesg -c
sudo modprobe iwl4965
# Try to connect or whatever to try to replicate your oops
sudo dmesg -c > oops.txt
copy and paste the oops.txt into your e-mail, that will give a cleaner
log. Also be sure to mention your kernel you are using.
Luis
--
Charles Figura charles.figura@wartburg.edu
Associate Professor of Physics http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/figura
Director, Wartburg Platte Observatory (319) 352-8373
(319) 352-8606 (fax)
[-- Attachment #2: oops.txt --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 2057 bytes --]
[ 219.046669] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol wiphy_register
[ 219.046681] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_register
[ 219.046742] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol wiphy_new
[ 219.046747] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_new
[ 219.047765] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol wiphy_unregister
[ 219.047771] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_unregister
[ 219.049060] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol wiphy_free
[ 219.049066] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_free
[ 219.050483] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_rx_irqsafe
[ 219.050616] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_get_hdrlen
[ 219.050847] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_iwlwifi_ieee80211_tx_status_irqsafe
[ 219.051015] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_iwlwifi_ieee80211_stop_queues
[ 219.051112] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi___ieee80211_get_rx_led_name
[ 219.051351] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_tx_status
[ 219.051440] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_rate_control_unregister
[ 219.051710] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_stop_queue
[ 219.051799] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_sta_info_put
[ 219.051989] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_free_hw
[ 219.052079] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_beacon_get
[ 219.052179] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_sta_info_get
[ 219.052374] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_alloc_hw
[ 219.052504] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi___ieee80211_get_tx_led_name
[ 219.052593] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_scan_completed
[ 219.052854] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_register_hw
[ 219.053118] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_wake_queue
[ 219.053212] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_rate_control_register
[ 219.053378] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_iwlwifi_ieee80211_register_hwmode
[ 219.053758] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_unregister_hw
[ 219.053910] iwl3945: Unknown symbol iwlwifi_ieee80211_start_queues
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* Re: [Fwd: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24]
2008-04-27 14:32 [Fwd: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24] Charles Figura
@ 2008-04-27 21:18 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-04-28 1:52 ` Charles Figura
2008-04-28 16:01 ` Charles Figura
0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Luis R. Rodriguez @ 2008-04-27 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Charles Figura; +Cc: linux-wireless
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Charles Figura
<charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
> I'm running Ubuntu Hardy with the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel.
> I've followed the log approach laid out by Luis Rodriguez below,
> and attached the corresponding dmesg output.
>
> As you see, the modprobe FAILS due to lots of unknown symbols.
>
> Oh, one other note that I hadn't mentioned before. I've found
> that a 'sudo make uninstall' doesn't get rid of the module - at
> least, it doesn't reset the module list. If I follow a 'sudo make
> uninstall' by 'sudo modprobe iwl3945', it tries to insert the same
> (faulty) module. Only by rebooting is the original restored.
> How do I update the module list after doing a make uninstall?
>
> Thanks - hope this helps!
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:14:20 -0700
> From: Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@gmail.com>
> To: Charles Figura <charles.figura@wartburg.edu>
> References: <4810F9BC.7030104@wartburg.edu>
> <43e72e890804252146y600b6b40x738e0826bc492b0@mail.gmail.com>
> <4813700F.5050108@wartburg.edu>
>
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Charles Figura
> <charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
>
> > Luis -
> >
> > Thanks for the response. I did, actually, do a 'make unload' before
> > loading the new module. And the error I sent you was actually from
> > loading the single module I need - the iwl3945 module.
> >
> > So I'm still back where I started, I think.
> >
>
> Please reply to the list explaining this, Intel reads linux-wireless
> so they can help if its their driver.
>
> Do this:
>
> Reboot.
>
> sudo dmesg -c > log1
> less log1 # review it to make sure there are no oops
> sudo make unload
> sudo dmesg -c
> sudo modprobe iwl4965
> # Try to connect or whatever to try to replicate your oops
> sudo dmesg -c > oops.txt
>
> copy and paste the oops.txt into your e-mail, that will give a cleaner
> log. Also be sure to mention your kernel you are using.
>
> Luis
>
>
>
> --
> Charles Figura charles.figura@wartburg.edu
>
> Associate Professor of Physics http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/figura
> Director, Wartburg Platte Observatory (319) 352-8373
> (319) 352-8606 (fax)
>
> [ 219.046669] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
> wiphy_register
> [ 219.046681] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_register
> [ 219.046742] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
> wiphy_new
> [ 219.046747] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_new
> [ 219.047765] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
> wiphy_unregister
> [ 219.047771] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_unregister
> [ 219.049060] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
> wiphy_free
> [ 219.049066] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_free
You have iwlwifi's mac8011 making the calls here. Please do after make
install and after make uninstall:
sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
sudo modprobe -l mac80211
sudo modprobe -l iwlwifi_mac80211
Also inspect your /lib/modules/ directory and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
Luis
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* Re: [Fwd: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24]
2008-04-27 21:18 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
@ 2008-04-28 1:52 ` Charles Figura
2008-04-28 3:58 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-04-28 16:01 ` Charles Figura
1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Charles Figura @ 2008-04-28 1:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luis R. Rodriguez; +Cc: linux-wireless
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Okay, so I think I have an idea what might be going on. I've attached
the modprobe -l for the various modules involved both after installation
and after uninstallation. I note that after uninstallation, there are
still a few modules from the /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates
folder. Is this possibly due to an older self-installed compat-wireless
update?
Has monkeying around with non-apt packages goofed me up here?
If so, how can I fix it?
-C
Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Charles Figura
> <charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
>> I'm running Ubuntu Hardy with the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel.
>> I've followed the log approach laid out by Luis Rodriguez below,
>> and attached the corresponding dmesg output.
>>
>> As you see, the modprobe FAILS due to lots of unknown symbols.
>>
>> Oh, one other note that I hadn't mentioned before. I've found
>> that a 'sudo make uninstall' doesn't get rid of the module - at
>> least, it doesn't reset the module list. If I follow a 'sudo make
>> uninstall' by 'sudo modprobe iwl3945', it tries to insert the same
>> (faulty) module. Only by rebooting is the original restored.
>> How do I update the module list after doing a make uninstall?
>>
>> Thanks - hope this helps!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24
>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:14:20 -0700
>> From: Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@gmail.com>
>> To: Charles Figura <charles.figura@wartburg.edu>
>> References: <4810F9BC.7030104@wartburg.edu>
>> <43e72e890804252146y600b6b40x738e0826bc492b0@mail.gmail.com>
>> <4813700F.5050108@wartburg.edu>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Charles Figura
>> <charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Luis -
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response. I did, actually, do a 'make unload' before
>>> loading the new module. And the error I sent you was actually from
>>> loading the single module I need - the iwl3945 module.
>>>
>>> So I'm still back where I started, I think.
>>>
>> Please reply to the list explaining this, Intel reads linux-wireless
>> so they can help if its their driver.
>>
>> Do this:
>>
>> Reboot.
>>
>> sudo dmesg -c > log1
>> less log1 # review it to make sure there are no oops
>> sudo make unload
>> sudo dmesg -c
>> sudo modprobe iwl4965
>> # Try to connect or whatever to try to replicate your oops
>> sudo dmesg -c > oops.txt
>>
>> copy and paste the oops.txt into your e-mail, that will give a cleaner
>> log. Also be sure to mention your kernel you are using.
>>
>> Luis
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Charles Figura charles.figura@wartburg.edu
>>
>> Associate Professor of Physics http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/figura
>> Director, Wartburg Platte Observatory (319) 352-8373
>> (319) 352-8606 (fax)
>>
>> [ 219.046669] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_register
>> [ 219.046681] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_register
>> [ 219.046742] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_new
>> [ 219.046747] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_new
>> [ 219.047765] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_unregister
>> [ 219.047771] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_unregister
>> [ 219.049060] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_free
>> [ 219.049066] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_free
>
> You have iwlwifi's mac8011 making the calls here. Please do after make
> install and after make uninstall:
>
> sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
> sudo modprobe -l mac80211
> sudo modprobe -l iwlwifi_mac80211
>
> Also inspect your /lib/modules/ directory and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
>
> Luis
>
>
--
Charles Figura charles.figura@wartburg.edu
Associate Professor of Physics http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/figura
Director, Wartburg Platte Observatory (319) 352-8373
(319) 352-8606 (fax)
[-- Attachment #2: modprobes_installed --]
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figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$ sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl4965.ko
figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$ sudo modprobe -l mac80211
/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko
figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$ sudo modprobe -l iwlwifi_mac80211/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/mac80211/compatible/net/mac80211/iwlwifi_mac80211.ko
figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$
[-- Attachment #3: modprobes_uninstalled --]
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figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l iwlwifi_mac80211
/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/mac80211/compatible/net/mac80211/iwlwifi_mac80211.ko
figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l mac80211
/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko
figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl4965.ko
figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l iwl3945
/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$
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* Re: [Fwd: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24]
2008-04-28 1:52 ` Charles Figura
@ 2008-04-28 3:58 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Luis R. Rodriguez @ 2008-04-28 3:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Charles Figura; +Cc: linux-wireless
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Charles Figura
<charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
> Okay, so I think I have an idea what might be going on. I've attached
> the modprobe -l for the various modules involved both after installation
> and after uninstallation. I note that after uninstallation, there are
> still a few modules from the /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates
> folder. Is this possibly due to an older self-installed compat-wireless
> update?
> Has monkeying around with non-apt packages goofed me up here?
> If so, how can I fix it?
Maybe.
> figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$ sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
>
> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl4965.ko
> figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$ sudo modprobe -l mac80211
> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko
> figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$ sudo modprobe -l
> iwlwifi_mac80211/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/mac80211/compatible/net/mac80211/iwlwifi_mac80211.ko
> figura@nightfall:~/compat-wireless-2008-04-27$
>
> figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l
> iwlwifi_mac80211
>
> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/mac80211/compatible/net/mac80211/iwlwifi_mac80211.ko
> figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l mac80211
> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko
> figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
>
> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl4965.ko
> figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$ sudo modprobe -l iwl3945
>
> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
> figura@nightfall:/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic$
Do this:
dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/
keep note of that package and remote it, or just do
sudo make unload
sudo make uninstall
sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/
sudo depmod -ae
sudo make install
sudo make unlaod
lsmod | grep iwl
# remove iwl mac80211 or any other stuff which make unload would not
have picked up on
# like modules from other packages
sudo modprobe iwl4965
Now you should be good.
Luis
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* Re: [Fwd: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24]
2008-04-27 21:18 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-04-28 1:52 ` Charles Figura
@ 2008-04-28 16:01 ` Charles Figura
1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Charles Figura @ 2008-04-28 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luis R. Rodriguez; +Cc: linux-wireless
Thanks, Luis, that seems to do the trick. The new module installed
and loaded with no errors, and appears to be working correctly!
Thanks again!
-CF
Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Charles Figura
> <charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
>> I'm running Ubuntu Hardy with the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel.
>> I've followed the log approach laid out by Luis Rodriguez below,
>> and attached the corresponding dmesg output.
>>
>> As you see, the modprobe FAILS due to lots of unknown symbols.
>>
>> Oh, one other note that I hadn't mentioned before. I've found
>> that a 'sudo make uninstall' doesn't get rid of the module - at
>> least, it doesn't reset the module list. If I follow a 'sudo make
>> uninstall' by 'sudo modprobe iwl3945', it tries to insert the same
>> (faulty) module. Only by rebooting is the original restored.
>> How do I update the module list after doing a make uninstall?
>>
>> Thanks - hope this helps!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Problems loading from compat-wireless-2008-04-24
>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:14:20 -0700
>> From: Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@gmail.com>
>> To: Charles Figura <charles.figura@wartburg.edu>
>> References: <4810F9BC.7030104@wartburg.edu>
>> <43e72e890804252146y600b6b40x738e0826bc492b0@mail.gmail.com>
>> <4813700F.5050108@wartburg.edu>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Charles Figura
>> <charles.figura@wartburg.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Luis -
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response. I did, actually, do a 'make unload' before
>>> loading the new module. And the error I sent you was actually from
>>> loading the single module I need - the iwl3945 module.
>>>
>>> So I'm still back where I started, I think.
>>>
>> Please reply to the list explaining this, Intel reads linux-wireless
>> so they can help if its their driver.
>>
>> Do this:
>>
>> Reboot.
>>
>> sudo dmesg -c > log1
>> less log1 # review it to make sure there are no oops
>> sudo make unload
>> sudo dmesg -c
>> sudo modprobe iwl4965
>> # Try to connect or whatever to try to replicate your oops
>> sudo dmesg -c > oops.txt
>>
>> copy and paste the oops.txt into your e-mail, that will give a cleaner
>> log. Also be sure to mention your kernel you are using.
>>
>> Luis
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Charles Figura charles.figura@wartburg.edu
>>
>> Associate Professor of Physics http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/figura
>> Director, Wartburg Platte Observatory (319) 352-8373
>> (319) 352-8606 (fax)
>>
>> [ 219.046669] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_register
>> [ 219.046681] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_register
>> [ 219.046742] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_new
>> [ 219.046747] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_new
>> [ 219.047765] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_unregister
>> [ 219.047771] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_unregister
>> [ 219.049060] iwlwifi_mac80211: disagrees about version of symbol
>> wiphy_free
>> [ 219.049066] iwlwifi_mac80211: Unknown symbol wiphy_free
>
> You have iwlwifi's mac8011 making the calls here. Please do after make
> install and after make uninstall:
>
> sudo modprobe -l iwl4965
> sudo modprobe -l mac80211
> sudo modprobe -l iwlwifi_mac80211
>
> Also inspect your /lib/modules/ directory and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
>
> Luis
>
>
--
Charles Figura charles.figura@wartburg.edu
Associate Professor of Physics http://mcsp.wartburg.edu/figura
Director, Wartburg Platte Observatory (319) 352-8373
(319) 352-8606 (fax)
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