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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: hadi@cyberus.ca, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	johannes@sipsolutions.net, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU.
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:48:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <487FDA67.30902@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080717.152447.89672084.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller wrote:
> From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:02:20 +0200
> 
>> jamal wrote:
>>> prioritization based on TOS/DSCP (setsockopt) would no longer work, some
>>> user space code may suffer (routing daemons likely). One suggestion to
>>> fix it is to load pfifo qdisc (which does what fifo_fast is attempting)
>>> for drivers that are h/ware multiq capable.
>> That would perform priorization within each qdisc, the individual
>> qdiscs would still be transmitted using seperate HW queues though.
> 
> I think from certain perspectives it frankly doesn't matter.
> 
> It's not like the skb->priority field lets the SKB bypass the packets
> already in the TX ring of the chip with a lower priority.
> 
> It is true that, once the TX ring is full, the skb->priority thus
> begins to have an influence on which packets are moved from the
> qdisc to the TX ring of the device.
> 
> However, I wonder if we're so sure that we want to give normal users
> that kind of powers.  Let's say for example that you set the highest
> priority possible in the TOS socket option, and you do this for a ton
> of UDP sockets, and you just blast packets out as fast as possible.
> This backlogs the device TX ring, and if done effectively enough could
> keep other sockets blocked out of the device completely.
> 
> Are we really really sure it's OK to let users do this?  :)
> 
> To me, as a default, I think TOS and DSCP really means just on-wire
> priority.
> 
> If we absolutely want to, we can keep the old pfifo_fast around and use
> it (shared on multiq) if a certain sysctl knob is set.

No, I fully agree that this is too much detail :) Its highly
unlikely that this default behaviour is important on a per
packet level :) I just meant to point out that using a pfifo
is not going to be the same behaviour as previously.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-17 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-17 12:17 [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU David Miller
2008-07-17 13:03 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 13:12   ` David Miller
2008-07-17 13:48     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 22:36       ` David Miller
2008-07-17 23:58         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 13:35   ` jamal
2008-07-17 14:02     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 22:24       ` David Miller
2008-07-17 23:48         ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2008-07-18 13:10           ` jamal
2008-07-18 13:27             ` jamal
2008-07-18 21:05               ` David Miller
2008-07-20 15:16                 ` jamal
2008-07-20 17:25                   ` David Miller
2008-07-20 17:34                     ` Tomas Winkler
2008-07-20 17:35                       ` David Miller
2008-07-20 22:32                     ` jamal
2008-07-20 23:59                       ` David Miller
2008-07-21  2:20                         ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:20                           ` jamal
2008-07-21 16:45                             ` David Miller
2008-07-21 11:58                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 13:08                             ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:19                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 13:56                                 ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:58                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 15:09                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-21 15:22                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 15:26                                         ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:16                                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 16:25                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:43                                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 16:51                                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 17:02                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 17:08                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-21 17:11                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22  6:56                                                         ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22  7:16                                                           ` David Miller
2008-08-22  7:41                                                             ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 10:42                                                               ` David Miller
2008-08-22 10:47                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 13:52                                                                 ` jamal
2008-08-22 13:43                                                           ` jamal
2008-07-21 17:35                             ` David Miller
2008-07-18 17:10             ` Roland Dreier
2008-07-20 14:58               ` jamal
2008-07-20 14:32         ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-20 17:20           ` David Miller
2008-07-20 14:20     ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-20 15:35       ` jamal
2008-07-21  0:11         ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21  2:33           ` jamal
2008-07-21  3:17             ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 11:14               ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:36                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 11:39                   ` jamal
2008-07-19  3:59   ` David Miller

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