* rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang @ 2008-12-30 10:51 Alan Jenkins 2008-12-30 13:10 ` Alan Jenkins 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list [lsusb: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp] I'd like to use this wireless adaptor I have, but the driver doesn't play nice with suspend. It hangs after switching to the console, without printing anything. This happens even if I haven't used the adaptor (i.e. ifconfig shows 0 bytes rx/tx). Interestingly the numlock key on my USB keyboard still works. I tried "no_console_suspend nmi_watchdog=1", but it didn't show any more output. (I waited 3 minutes for the watchdog to trigger). However, I can insert panic() calls, and see whether I hit the hang first, or go into a panic with flashing keyboard LEDs. I used this to confirm that the hang happens inside the rtl8187_disconnect() function. There's a good chance I can track this down myself, using panic() again. Before I start, does anyone have an idea what might be happening? Ta Alan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 10:51 rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 13:10 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-30 15:45 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list Alan Jenkins wrote: > [lsusb: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp] > > > I'd like to use this wireless adaptor I have, but the driver doesn't > play nice with suspend. It hangs after switching to the console, > without printing anything. This happens even if I haven't used the > adaptor (i.e. ifconfig shows 0 bytes rx/tx). Interestingly the numlock > key on my USB keyboard still works. > > I tried "no_console_suspend nmi_watchdog=1", but it didn't show any more > output. (I waited 3 minutes for the watchdog to trigger). > > However, I can insert panic() calls, and see whether I hit the hang > first, or go into a panic with flashing keyboard LEDs. I used this to > confirm that the hang happens inside the rtl8187_disconnect() function. > > There's a good chance I can track this down myself, using panic() > again. Before I start, does anyone have an idea what might be happening? > Ok, I think I got it. The hang is in ieee80211_unregister_hw(), on this line: destroy_workqueue(local->hw.workqueue); local->hw.workqueue is created using create_freezeable_workqueue(). So presumably destroy_workqueue() deadlocks because the workqueue has already been frozen. Is it possible to fix this without suspend support in mac80211? If not, I vote we change rtl8187 (and zd_usb) to prevent suspend. I.e. set USB suspend callbacks which return an error. Thanks Alan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 13:10 ` Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 15:45 ` Alan Stern 2008-12-30 16:45 ` Bob Copeland 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Stern @ 2008-12-30 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins; +Cc: linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Alan Jenkins wrote: > Ok, I think I got it. > > The hang is in ieee80211_unregister_hw(), on this line: > > destroy_workqueue(local->hw.workqueue); > > > local->hw.workqueue is created using create_freezeable_workqueue(). So > presumably destroy_workqueue() deadlocks because the workqueue has > already been frozen. > > Is it possible to fix this without suspend support in mac80211? If not, > I vote we change rtl8187 (and zd_usb) to prevent suspend. I.e. set USB > suspend callbacks which return an error. It certainly should be possible to fix this. For instance, why unregister anything during suspend? If ieee80211_unregister_hw() weren't called then this problem would go away, right? Alan Stern ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 15:45 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern @ 2008-12-30 16:45 ` Bob Copeland 2008-12-30 16:48 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-30 17:25 ` Alan Stern 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Bob Copeland @ 2008-12-30 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Stern; +Cc: Alan Jenkins, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: >> Is it possible to fix this without suspend support in mac80211? If not, >> I vote we change rtl8187 (and zd_usb) to prevent suspend. I.e. set USB >> suspend callbacks which return an error. Alan J: Are you using 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state' directly to do suspend, or hitting the power button? I'm guessing we shouldn't be calling disconnect() when suspending. > It certainly should be possible to fix this. For instance, why > unregister anything during suspend? If ieee80211_unregister_hw() > weren't called then this problem would go away, right? Yes, we shouldn't need to. But it's not the suspend() callback that's getting called (the driver doesn't have one) but disconnect, which unregisters itself from the upper layers. I just read the stuff in Documentation/usb but admit I don't fully get the rules. AIUI, without suspend/resume callbacks, disconnect will sometimes get called on resume? But the original email is a hang at suspend time? The drivers themselves actually shouldn't be doing much in suspend callbacks once mac80211 suspend support is done -- just powering down the device -- since mac80211 will handle all the softmac state. -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 16:45 ` Bob Copeland @ 2008-12-30 16:48 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-30 17:25 ` Alan Stern 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bob Copeland; +Cc: Alan Stern, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list Bob Copeland wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: > >>> Is it possible to fix this without suspend support in mac80211? If not, >>> I vote we change rtl8187 (and zd_usb) to prevent suspend. I.e. set USB >>> suspend callbacks which return an error. >>> > > Alan J: > > Are you using 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state' directly to do suspend, > or hitting the power button? Various. Normally I use my GUI, which is using s2disk. I did try using /sys/power/state directly as well, but there was no difference. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 16:45 ` Bob Copeland 2008-12-30 16:48 ` Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 17:25 ` Alan Stern 2008-12-30 17:31 ` Alan Jenkins 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Stern @ 2008-12-30 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bob Copeland; +Cc: Alan Jenkins, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Bob Copeland wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: > >> Is it possible to fix this without suspend support in mac80211? If not, > >> I vote we change rtl8187 (and zd_usb) to prevent suspend. I.e. set USB > >> suspend callbacks which return an error. > > Alan J: > > Are you using 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state' directly to do suspend, > or hitting the power button? I'm guessing we shouldn't be calling > disconnect() when suspending. > > > It certainly should be possible to fix this. For instance, why > > unregister anything during suspend? If ieee80211_unregister_hw() > > weren't called then this problem would go away, right? > > Yes, we shouldn't need to. > > But it's not the suspend() callback that's getting called (the driver > doesn't have one) but disconnect, which unregisters itself from the > upper layers. I just read the stuff in Documentation/usb but admit I > don't fully get the rules. AIUI, without suspend/resume callbacks, > disconnect will sometimes get called on resume? But the original > email is a hang at suspend time? This explains the problem. Yes, drivers that don't have a suspend or resume method will have their disconnect method called when a system suspend occurs. An easy way to prevent this is to add empty suspend and resume methods (and a resume_reset method too). Alternatively, you can allow the disconnect to occur. If the workqueue weren't freezable then the problem would be solved. Which leads to the question: Why have a freezable workqueue if there's no suspend/resume support in the driver? Alan Stern ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 17:25 ` Alan Stern @ 2008-12-30 17:31 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-30 17:52 ` Larry Finger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Stern; +Cc: Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list Alan Stern wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Bob Copeland wrote: > > >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: >> >>>> Is it possible to fix this without suspend support in mac80211? If not, >>>> I vote we change rtl8187 (and zd_usb) to prevent suspend. I.e. set USB >>>> suspend callbacks which return an error. >>>> >> Alan J: >> >> Are you using 'echo -n mem > /sys/power/state' directly to do suspend, >> or hitting the power button? I'm guessing we shouldn't be calling >> disconnect() when suspending. >> >> >>> It certainly should be possible to fix this. For instance, why >>> unregister anything during suspend? If ieee80211_unregister_hw() >>> weren't called then this problem would go away, right? >>> >> Yes, we shouldn't need to. >> >> But it's not the suspend() callback that's getting called (the driver >> doesn't have one) but disconnect, which unregisters itself from the >> upper layers. I just read the stuff in Documentation/usb but admit I >> don't fully get the rules. AIUI, without suspend/resume callbacks, >> disconnect will sometimes get called on resume? But the original >> email is a hang at suspend time? >> > > This explains the problem. Yes, drivers that don't have a suspend or > resume method will have their disconnect method called when a system > suspend occurs. > > An easy way to prevent this is to add empty suspend and resume methods > (and a resume_reset method too). > That won't fix hibernation though. The disconnect method can still get called in resume from hibernation, before the workqueue gets unfrozen. To be honest, I'm far more interested in suspend-to-disk than suspend-to-ram. > Alternatively, you can allow the disconnect to occur. If the workqueue > weren't freezable then the problem would be solved. Which leads to the > question: Why have a freezable workqueue if there's no suspend/resume > support in the driver? > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 17:31 ` Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-30 17:52 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Hin-Tak Leung ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Larry Finger @ 2008-12-30 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Hin-Tak Leung, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Alan Jenkins wrote: > That won't fix hibernation though. The disconnect method can still get > called in resume from hibernation, before the workqueue gets unfrozen. > To be honest, I'm far more interested in suspend-to-disk than > suspend-to-ram. Does this patch fix your problem? It works here, but I only did one test. The patch is for wireless-testing. Larry Index: wireless-testing/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c =================================================================== --- wireless-testing.orig/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c +++ wireless-testing/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c @@ -1464,6 +1464,32 @@ static int __devinit rtl8187_probe(struc return err; } +#ifdef CONFIG_PM + +static int rtl8187_suspend(struct usb_interface *intf, pm_message_t state) +{ + struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); + struct rtl8187_priv *priv; + int time; + + if (!dev) + return 0; + + priv = dev->priv; + + time = usb_wait_anchor_empty_timeout(&priv->anchored, 1000); + if (!time) + usb_kill_anchored_urbs(&priv->anchored); + return 0; +} + +static int rtl8187_resume(struct usb_interface *intf) +{ + return 0; +} + +#endif /* CONFIG_PM */ + static void __devexit rtl8187_disconnect(struct usb_interface *intf) { struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); @@ -1484,6 +1510,10 @@ static struct usb_driver rtl8187_driver .id_table = rtl8187_table, .probe = rtl8187_probe, .disconnect = __devexit_p(rtl8187_disconnect), +#ifdef CONFIG_PM + .suspend = rtl8187_suspend, + .resume = rtl8187_resume, +#endif /* CONFIG_PM */ }; static int __init rtl8187_init(void) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 17:52 ` Larry Finger @ 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Oliver Neukum 2008-12-31 0:59 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Hin-Tak Leung @ 2008-12-30 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins, Larry Finger Cc: Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> wrote: > From: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> > Subject: Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang > To: "Alan Jenkins" <alan-jenkins@tuffmail.co.uk> > Cc: "Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>, "Bob Copeland" <me@bobcopeland.com>, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, "USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>, "Hin-Tak Leung" <htl10@users.sourceforge.net>, "Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski" <herton@mandriva.com.br> > Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 5:52 PM > Alan Jenkins wrote: > > That won't fix hibernation though. The disconnect > method can still get > > called in resume from hibernation, before the > workqueue gets unfrozen. > > To be honest, I'm far more interested in > suspend-to-disk than > > suspend-to-ram. > > Does this patch fix your problem? It works here, but I only > did one > test. The patch is for wireless-testing. BTW, there is already a bug on kernel bugzilla on this - maybe useful to attach the patch to get the three people to test: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11887 In fact I'll do this when I get back in a couple of hours. (am going out soon...). I'll give this a try myself. > > Larry > > > Index: > wireless-testing/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c > =================================================================== > --- > wireless-testing.orig/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c > +++ > wireless-testing/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c > @@ -1464,6 +1464,32 @@ static int __devinit > rtl8187_probe(struc > return err; > } > > +#ifdef CONFIG_PM > + > +static int rtl8187_suspend(struct usb_interface *intf, > pm_message_t > state) > +{ > + struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); > + struct rtl8187_priv *priv; > + int time; > + > + if (!dev) > + return 0; > + > + priv = dev->priv; > + > + time = > usb_wait_anchor_empty_timeout(&priv->anchored, 1000); > + if (!time) > + usb_kill_anchored_urbs(&priv->anchored); > + return 0; > +} > + > +static int rtl8187_resume(struct usb_interface *intf) > +{ > + return 0; > +} > + > +#endif /* CONFIG_PM */ > + > static void __devexit rtl8187_disconnect(struct > usb_interface *intf) > { > struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); > @@ -1484,6 +1510,10 @@ static struct usb_driver > rtl8187_driver > .id_table = rtl8187_table, > .probe = rtl8187_probe, > .disconnect = __devexit_p(rtl8187_disconnect), > +#ifdef CONFIG_PM > + .suspend = rtl8187_suspend, > + .resume = rtl8187_resume, > +#endif /* CONFIG_PM */ > }; > > static int __init rtl8187_init(void) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 17:52 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Hin-Tak Leung @ 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Oliver Neukum 2008-12-30 18:09 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-31 0:59 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Oliver Neukum @ 2008-12-30 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Finger Cc: Alan Jenkins, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Hin-Tak Leung, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Am Dienstag, 30. Dezember 2008 18:52:44 schrieb Larry Finger: > Alan Jenkins wrote: > > That won't fix hibernation though. =A0The disconnect method can sti= ll get > > called in resume from hibernation, before the workqueue gets unfroz= en.=20 > > To be honest, I'm far more interested in suspend-to-disk than > > suspend-to-ram. >=20 > Does this patch fix your problem? It works here, but I only did one > test. The patch is for wireless-testing. Did you test STD or STR? Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireles= s" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Oliver Neukum @ 2008-12-30 18:09 ` Larry Finger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Larry Finger @ 2008-12-30 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Oliver Neukum Cc: Alan Jenkins, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Hin-Tak Leung, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Oliver Neukum wrote: > Did you test STD or STR? STD. My machine gets a dbus error whenever I try STR even with no wireless drivers loaded. Larry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-30 17:52 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2008-12-30 18:05 ` Oliver Neukum @ 2008-12-31 0:59 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2008-12-31 14:33 ` Alan Jenkins 2 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Hin-Tak Leung @ 2008-12-31 0:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins, Larry Finger Cc: Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> wrote: > Alan Jenkins wrote: > > That won't fix hibernation though. The disconnect > method can still get > > called in resume from hibernation, before the > workqueue gets unfrozen. > > To be honest, I'm far more interested in > suspend-to-disk than > > suspend-to-ram. > > Does this patch fix your problem? It works here, but I only > did one > test. The patch is for wireless-testing. > > Larry My test is that STD works alright, but STR still does not work. I haven't tried STD for a long time - I mostly use STR with SUSPEND_MODULES -, so I have no idea if STD works before the patch or not. With the patch, I can suspend to RAM (removing my SUSPEND_MODULES workaround temporarily), but it would not "defrost - this is similiar to my failed attempt at fixing this - adding some skeleton _suspend()/_resume() routines can get the driver to STR, but it won't defrost. Without any _suspend()/_resume() routines, it won't even suspend, but just spend ages trying to suspend. I'll post your patch to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11887 as a work-in-progress... Hin-Tak ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 0:59 ` Hin-Tak Leung @ 2008-12-31 14:33 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-31 15:57 ` Bob Copeland ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-31 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: htl10 Cc: Larry Finger, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> wrote: > >> Alan Jenkins wrote: >> >>> That won't fix hibernation though. The disconnect >>> >> method can still get >> >>> called in resume from hibernation, before the >>> >> workqueue gets unfrozen. >> >>> To be honest, I'm far more interested in >>> >> suspend-to-disk than >> >>> suspend-to-ram. >>> >> Does this patch fix your problem? It works here, but I only >> did one >> test. The patch is for wireless-testing. >> >> Larry >> > > My test is that STD works alright, but STR still does not work. I haven't tried STD for a long time - I mostly use STR with SUSPEND_MODULES -, so I have no idea if STD works before the patch or not. With the patch, I can suspend to RAM (removing my SUSPEND_MODULES workaround temporarily), but it would not "defrost - this is similiar to my failed attempt at fixing this - adding some skeleton _suspend()/_resume() routines can get the driver to STR, but it won't defrost. Without any _suspend()/_resume() routines, it won't even suspend, but just spend ages trying to suspend. > > I'll post your patch to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11887 as a work-in-progress... > > Hin-Tak Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't seem to hang anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the system was hibernated. However, after resume the interface is useless. I get a kernel error message, which repeats regularly (something like every 5 or 10 seconds): phy0: Reset timeout! and it doesn't work: # iwlist wlan0 scan wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down # ifconfig wlan0 up SIOCSIFFLAGS: Connection timed out I have to re-plug the adaptor, and then it works again. Regards "Alan J" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 14:33 ` Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-31 15:57 ` Bob Copeland 2008-12-31 17:10 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-31 17:16 ` Oliver Neukum ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Bob Copeland @ 2008-12-31 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: htl10, Larry Finger, Alan Stern, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 02:33:47PM +0000, Alan Jenkins wrote: > Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't seem to hang > anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the system was > hibernated. However, after resume the interface is useless. Kind of sounds like the hardware is not responding... so this probably won't help, but you can always give my patches a spin: http://bobcopeland.com/kernel/wl/20081214/ Should apply with fuzz. Just ignore patch 3, also you don't need anything special for rtl8187 since the classdev will suspend/resume on its own and rtl8187 already didn't do anything special for PM. > Regards > "Alan J" Heh! -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 15:57 ` Bob Copeland @ 2008-12-31 17:10 ` Alan Jenkins 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-12-31 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bob Copeland Cc: htl10, Larry Finger, Alan Stern, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Bob Copeland wrote: > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 02:33:47PM +0000, Alan Jenkins wrote: > >> Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't seem to hang >> anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the system was >> hibernated. However, after resume the interface is useless. >> > > Kind of sounds like the hardware is not responding... so this probably > won't help, but you can always give my patches a spin: > > http://bobcopeland.com/kernel/wl/20081214/ > > Should apply with fuzz. Just ignore patch 3, also you don't need > anything special for rtl8187 since the classdev will suspend/resume > on its own and rtl8187 already didn't do anything special for PM. > You were right, they didn't help :-). Thanks anyway. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 14:33 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-31 15:57 ` Bob Copeland @ 2008-12-31 17:16 ` Oliver Neukum 2008-12-31 19:33 ` Larry Finger 2009-01-01 6:18 ` Hin-Tak Leung 3 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Oliver Neukum @ 2008-12-31 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: htl10, Larry Finger, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Am Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2008 15:33:47 schrieb Alan Jenkins: > Thanks for the patch. =C2=A0I tested STD too, and it doesn't seem to = hang > anymore. =C2=A0I even tested removing the adaptor while the system wa= s > hibernated. =C2=A0However, after resume the interface is useless. =46or STD you need to implement reset_resume() Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireles= s" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 14:33 ` Alan Jenkins 2008-12-31 15:57 ` Bob Copeland 2008-12-31 17:16 ` Oliver Neukum @ 2008-12-31 19:33 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-31 23:00 ` Larry Finger 2009-01-01 6:06 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2009-01-01 6:18 ` Hin-Tak Leung 3 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Larry Finger @ 2008-12-31 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: htl10, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Alan Jenkins wrote: > Hin-Tak Leung wrote: >> --- On Tue, 30/12/08, Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> wrote: >> >>> Alan Jenkins wrote: >>> >>>> That won't fix hibernation though. The disconnect >>>> >>> method can still get >>> >>>> called in resume from hibernation, before the >>>> >>> workqueue gets unfrozen. >>> >>>> To be honest, I'm far more interested in >>>> >>> suspend-to-disk than >>> >>>> suspend-to-ram. >>>> >>> Does this patch fix your problem? It works here, but I only >>> did one >>> test. The patch is for wireless-testing. >>> >>> Larry >>> >> My test is that STD works alright, but STR still does not work. I haven't tried STD for a long time - I mostly use STR with SUSPEND_MODULES -, so I have no idea if STD works before the patch or not. With the patch, I can suspend to RAM (removing my SUSPEND_MODULES workaround temporarily), but it would not "defrost - this is similiar to my failed attempt at fixing this - adding some skeleton _suspend()/_resume() routines can get the driver to STR, but it won't defrost. Without any _suspend()/_resume() routines, it won't even suspend, but just spend ages trying to suspend. >> >> I'll post your patch to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11887 as a work-in-progress... >> >> Hin-Tak > > Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't seem to hang > anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the system was > hibernated. However, after resume the interface is useless. > > I get a kernel error message, which repeats regularly (something like > every 5 or 10 seconds): > > phy0: Reset timeout! > > and it doesn't work: > > # iwlist wlan0 scan > wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down > > # ifconfig wlan0 up > SIOCSIFFLAGS: Connection timed out > > I have to re-plug the adaptor, and then it works again. Thanks for testing. I have some ideas on how to improve the suspend/resume, but they will require some changes in the structure. I will also try to determine why my system fails at STR so I can test both flavors. Larry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 19:33 ` Larry Finger @ 2008-12-31 23:00 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-31 23:26 ` Bob Copeland 2009-01-01 0:16 ` Alan Stern 2009-01-01 6:06 ` Hin-Tak Leung 1 sibling, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Larry Finger @ 2008-12-31 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: htl10, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Here is a second try at a suspend/resume patch for rtl8187. This one also seems a bit too easy; however, it did work for me, at least for STD. I now realize that my machine didn't power off in my previous test. This time I manually turned it off before restarting. My computer still doesn't STR, thus that was not tested. Larry ============= Index: wireless-testing/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c =================================================================== --- wireless-testing.orig/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c +++ wireless-testing/drivers/net/wireless/rtl818x/rtl8187_dev.c @@ -1464,6 +1464,28 @@ static int __devinit rtl8187_probe(struc return err; } +#ifdef CONFIG_PM + +static int rtl8187_suspend(struct usb_interface *intf, pm_message_t state) +{ + struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); + + rtl8187_stop(dev); + + return 0; +} + +static int rtl8187_resume(struct usb_interface *intf) +{ + struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); + + rtl8187_start(dev); + + return 0; +} + +#endif /* CONFIG_PM */ + static void __devexit rtl8187_disconnect(struct usb_interface *intf) { struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); @@ -1484,6 +1506,10 @@ static struct usb_driver rtl8187_driver .id_table = rtl8187_table, .probe = rtl8187_probe, .disconnect = __devexit_p(rtl8187_disconnect), +#ifdef CONFIG_PM + .suspend = rtl8187_suspend, + .resume = rtl8187_resume, +#endif /* CONFIG_PM */ }; static int __init rtl8187_init(void) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 23:00 ` Larry Finger @ 2008-12-31 23:26 ` Bob Copeland 2009-01-01 0:16 ` Alan Stern 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Bob Copeland @ 2008-12-31 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Finger Cc: Alan Jenkins, htl10, Alan Stern, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 05:00:05PM -0600, Larry Finger wrote: > +#ifdef CONFIG_PM > + > +static int rtl8187_suspend(struct usb_interface *intf, pm_message_t > state) > +{ > + struct ieee80211_hw *dev = usb_get_intfdata(intf); > + > + rtl8187_stop(dev); > + > + return 0; > +} Won't this do the wrong thing if the interface is never brought up before you do suspend? (And then you can add a flag etc. to handle that case, but that's exactly what my mac80211 patches aim to do.) -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 23:00 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-31 23:26 ` Bob Copeland @ 2009-01-01 0:16 ` Alan Stern 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Stern @ 2009-01-01 0:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Finger Cc: Alan Jenkins, htl10, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Larry Finger wrote: > Here is a second try at a suspend/resume patch for rtl8187. This one > also seems a bit too easy; however, it did work for me, at least for > STD. I now realize that my machine didn't power off in my previous > test. This time I manually turned it off before restarting. My > computer still doesn't STR, thus that was not tested. As Oliver pointed out, you generally need to implement a reset_resume method for hibernation to work. See Documentation/usb/power-management.txt. Alan Stern ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 19:33 ` Larry Finger 2008-12-31 23:00 ` Larry Finger @ 2009-01-01 6:06 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2009-01-01 22:25 ` Alan Stern 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 6:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins, Larry Finger Cc: Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski --- On Wed, 31/12/08, Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net> wrote: <snipped> > Thanks for testing. I have some ideas on how to improve the > suspend/resume, but they will require some changes in the > structure. I > will also try to determine why my system fails at STR so I > can test > both flavors. I had a crash STR, after restoring my SUSPEND_MODULES workaround , so it is possible that the new addition actually stop the module getting unloaded. In any case, I suggest testing STR/STD while leaving a ping to the router running, just to be sure that the suspend/resume code does the right thing. Also since Alan Stern is now CC'ed, can I ask the in-tree skeleton usb driver code updated to reflect the recent PM-related changes? There seems to be quite some changes between 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 . Cheers, Hin-Tak ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 6:06 ` Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 22:25 ` Alan Stern 2009-01-01 23:42 ` Hin-Tak Leung 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Stern @ 2009-01-01 22:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hin-Tak Leung Cc: Alan Jenkins, Larry Finger, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > Also since Alan Stern is now CC'ed, can I ask the in-tree skeleton > usb driver code updated to reflect the recent PM-related changes? > There seems to be quite some changes between 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 . It _has_ been updated. But the USB PM interfaces allow several different modes of operation, and usb-skeleton can illustrate only one of them. Alan Stern ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 22:25 ` Alan Stern @ 2009-01-01 23:42 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2009-01-02 2:24 ` Alan Stern 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 23:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Stern Cc: Alan Jenkins, Larry Finger, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > > > Also since Alan Stern is now CC'ed, can I ask the > in-tree skeleton > > usb driver code updated to reflect the recent > PM-related changes? > > There seems to be quite some changes between 2.6.26 > and 2.6.27 . > > It _has_ been updated. But the USB PM interfaces allow > several > different modes of operation, and usb-skeleton can > illustrate only one > of them. So it has... I found Documentation/usb/power-management.txt a bit brief... and I am planning to read http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/brown-reprint.pdf which seems to be quite relevant... do you have any recommended readings? I have tried "use the source", but the majority of wireless device drivers don't have any suspend/resume hooks :-). The behavior of 2.6.26pre - somewhere in usbcore forces unloading of all usb device drivers on suspend - was useable. Hin-Tak ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 23:42 ` Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-02 2:24 ` Alan Stern 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Stern @ 2009-01-02 2:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hin-Tak Leung Cc: Alan Jenkins, Larry Finger, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > So it has... I found Documentation/usb/power-management.txt a bit brief... > and I am planning to read > http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/brown-reprint.pdf > which seems to be quite relevant... It doesn't cover USB suspend/resume specifically. But maybe it will help you. > do you have any recommended readings? I have tried "use the source", > but the majority of wireless device drivers don't have any > suspend/resume hooks :-). The behavior of 2.6.26pre - somewhere in > usbcore forces unloading of all usb device drivers on suspend - was > useable. There aren't any other good documents to read, as far as I know. 2.6.28 also forces unloading of all USB drivers that don't have suspend/resume support -- that was the part of the problem which started this thread. Alan Stern ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2008-12-31 14:33 ` Alan Jenkins ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2008-12-31 19:33 ` Larry Finger @ 2009-01-01 6:18 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2009-01-01 13:07 ` Alan Jenkins 3 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 6:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: Larry Finger, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski --- On Wed, 31/12/08, Alan Jenkins <alan-jenkins@tuffmail.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't > seem to hang > anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the > system was > hibernated. However, after resume the interface is > useless. Wierd - do you have NetworkManager running? These days I leave NM running - besides the occasional /etc/rc.d/init.d/{wpa_supplicant/NetworkManager} stop/start to re-establish connectivity (seems to be some timing issue with dhcp taking too long and nm ifconfig up/down the device wrongly) - and *when STD/STR works*, NM usually just re-connect within a minute on resume/defrost. I don't have the choice of unhooking the device - integrated to laptop. BTW, is it a B device or a non-B device that didn't work? Hin-Tak ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 6:18 ` Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 13:07 ` Alan Jenkins 2009-01-01 13:40 ` Stefanik Gábor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Alan Jenkins @ 2009-01-01 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: htl10 Cc: Larry Finger, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, Alan Jenkins <alan-jenkins@tuffmail.co.uk> wrote: > > >> Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't >> seem to hang >> anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the >> system was >> hibernated. However, after resume the interface is >> useless. >> > > Wierd - do you have NetworkManager running? > Yes, but it's not managing the wireless interface - I'm still using the wired network. When I tested, I didn't use the wireless interface at all before I hibernated. > These days I leave NM running - besides the occasional /etc/rc.d/init.d/{wpa_supplicant/NetworkManager} stop/start to re-establish connectivity (seems to be some timing issue with dhcp taking too long and nm ifconfig up/down the device wrongly) - and *when STD/STR works*, NM usually just re-connect within a minute on resume/defrost. > > I don't have the choice of unhooking the device - integrated to laptop. BTW, is it a B device or a non-B device that didn't work? > I think it's a B device. phy0: hwaddr 00:1b:2f:76:02:bc, RTL8187vB (default) V1 + rtl8225z2 Alan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 13:07 ` Alan Jenkins @ 2009-01-01 13:40 ` Stefanik Gábor 2009-01-01 14:39 ` Hin-Tak Leung 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Stefanik Gábor @ 2009-01-01 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins Cc: htl10, Larry Finger, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Alan Jenkins <alan-jenkins@tuffmail.co.uk> wrote: > Hin-Tak Leung wrote: >> --- On Wed, 31/12/08, Alan Jenkins <alan-jenkins@tuffmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks for the patch. I tested STD too, and it doesn't >>> seem to hang >>> anymore. I even tested removing the adaptor while the >>> system was >>> hibernated. However, after resume the interface is >>> useless. >>> >> >> Wierd - do you have NetworkManager running? >> > > Yes, but it's not managing the wireless interface - I'm still using the > wired network. When I tested, I didn't use the wireless interface at > all before I hibernated. > >> These days I leave NM running - besides the occasional /etc/rc.d/init.d/{wpa_supplicant/NetworkManager} stop/start to re-establish connectivity (seems to be some timing issue with dhcp taking too long and nm ifconfig up/down the device wrongly) - and *when STD/STR works*, NM usually just re-connect within a minute on resume/defrost. >> >> I don't have the choice of unhooking the device - integrated to laptop. BTW, is it a B device or a non-B device that didn't work? >> > > I think it's a B device. > > phy0: hwaddr 00:1b:2f:76:02:bc, RTL8187vB (default) V1 + rtl8225z2 > > > Alan > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > That is an RTL8187L, rev. B. It is not an RTL8187B. -- Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware. :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 13:40 ` Stefanik Gábor @ 2009-01-01 14:39 ` Hin-Tak Leung 2009-01-01 16:38 ` Larry Finger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Jenkins, Stefanik Gábor Cc: Larry Finger, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Stefanik G=E1bor <netrolller.3d@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Alan Jenkins > <alan-jenkins@tuffmail.co.uk> wrote: > > I think it's a B device. > > > > phy0: hwaddr 00:1b:2f:76:02:bc, RTL8187vB (default) V1 > + rtl8225z2 > That is an RTL8187L, rev. B. It is not an RTL8187B. Yes, that's the (older) non-B device. B devices says RTL8187Bv{B,D,E} .= with a B before the 7; I have a rev E .The B device and the non-B devi= ce while similiar enough to share some driver code, are different enoug= h that they might suspend/resume differently - they do probe/init slightly dif= ferently. Besides, I think all the people who recently worked on that c= ode are B-device owners, with maybe Larry who probably owns both types = (or a few). Hin-Tak =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireles= s" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-pm] rtl8187 usb wifi adaptor causes suspend hang 2009-01-01 14:39 ` Hin-Tak Leung @ 2009-01-01 16:38 ` Larry Finger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Larry Finger @ 2009-01-01 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: htl10 Cc: Alan Jenkins, Stefanik Gábor, Alan Stern, Bob Copeland, linux-wireless, linux-pm, USB list, Herton Ronaldo Krzesinski Hin-Tak Leung wrote: > > Yes, that's the (older) non-B device. B devices says RTL8187Bv{B,D,E} . with a B before the 7; I have a rev E .The B device and the non-B device while similiar enough to share some driver code, are different enough that > they might suspend/resume differently - they do probe/init slightly differently. Besides, I think all the people who recently worked on that code are B-device owners, with maybe Larry who probably owns both types (or a few). I only have one. It is the strange device that reports an 8187 USB ID, but is really an 8187B. Larry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
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