Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Serbia (RS) on 2.4 and 5GHz

Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Serbia (RS) on 2.4 and 5GHz

[John W. Linville]

Ognjen,

Thank you so much for this timely message!  I apologize for having
overlooked it so far.

I don't suppose that you could translate the information you have
provided into the format used within the regulatory database file?
Also, could you provide a link to the original regulatory document
(even if it is in Serbian)?

Ideally you could post a patch for the db.txt file.  If that is a
problem, simply posting the information should be sufficient.

Thanks!

John

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 03:18:56PM +0100, Ognjen Ikovic wrote:
> Dear Mr. John,
> 
> my name is Ognjen Ikovic and I am R&D engineer from Novi Sad, Serbia. I
> have noticed that You are listed as maintainer for the wireless-regdb
> database, congratulations on a fine work You are doing.
> 
> I have noticed the following inputs in the regulatory database for Serbia
> which are not in line with regulatory documents for Serbia:
> 
> country RS:
>         # 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
>         (57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (N/A, 40), NO-OUTDOOR
> 
> I was wondering if You could, please, update the regulatory database with
> new information:
> 
> *WAS/RLANs for indoor usage:*
> 1. Frequency Band 2400-2483.5 MHz;  Power 100mW e.i.r.p.; Channel spacing:
> None;
> CEPT document:  ERC/DEC/(01)07, ERC/DEC/(04)07, ERC/REC/70-03; ETSI
> standard EN 300 328
> 
> 2. Frequency Band 5150-5350 MHz;  Power 200mW e.i.r.p.;
> CEPT document:  ERC/DEC/(99)24, ECC/DEC/(04)08, ERC/REC/70-03; ETSI
> standard: EN 300 836, EN 301 893
> 
> *WAS/RLANs for outdoor usage:*
> 1. Frequency Band 2400-2483.5 MHz;  Power 100mW e.i.r.p.; Channel spacing:
> None;
> CEPT document:  ERC/DEC/(01)07, ERC/REC/70-03; ETSI standard EN 300 328
> 
> 2. Frequency Band 5470-5725 MHz;  Power 1W e.i.r.p; Channel spacing: 20
> MHz; TCP required 3dB;  DFS required;
> CEPT document: ECC/DEC/(04)08; ETSI standard: EN 301 893
> 
> I have regulatory document with these information, but it is on Serbian
> language. If You need more information regarding this subject do not
> hesitate to contact me.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ognjen Ikovic
> 
> -- 
> Ognjen Ikovic
> Staff engineer
> ognjen.ikovic@lacitadelleing.com
> +381640272551
> LaCitadelle Inzenjering
> www.lacitadelleing.com

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Re: wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Serbia (RS) on 2.4 and 5GHz

[Robert Basic]

Good day all!

On 7 February 2013 09:54, Ognjen Ikovic
<ognjen.ikovic@lacitadelleing.com> wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> I am not familiar with the process of posting patches, so please find
> information You have required bellow:
>
> country RS:
>                  (2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
>                  (5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
>                  (5470 - 5725 @ 20), (3, 1 W), DFS
>
> Link to the original regulatory document (I have found a version on English)
> can be found here:
> http://www.ratel.rs/upload/editor_files/File/Regulations/Rules/Rules%20on%20radio-stations%20for%20which%20radio-station%20licence%20is%20not%20required.pdf
>
> Please refer to tables on pages 9 and 10 of the provided document.
>

I have found the same document, but I also have found another one
http://www.ratel.rs/upload/documents/Plan_namene/Plan-namene-tabele.pdf
sadly it is available only in Serbian Cyrillic. This document shows
the "Allocation plan" of the RF ranges. On pages 217-221 it lists
"Broadband wireless networks for data transfer" from roughly 57GHz to
66GHz. Now, this being just a "plan" means that most likely in the
future it will indeed be at 60GHz, but it is not yet implemented. I
don't know how else to read these documents.

Maybe Ognjen can provide more insight into this.

Thanks!

Regards,
Robert

Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Serbia (RS) on 2.4 and 5GHz

[Xose Vazquez Perez]

On 02/06/2013 08:25 PM, John W. Linville wrote:

> Thank you so much for this timely message!  I apologize for having
> overlooked it so far.
> 
> I don't suppose that you could translate the information you have
> provided into the format used within the regulatory database file?
> Also, could you provide a link to the original regulatory document
> (even if it is in Serbian)?

Serbia is under ETSI/CEPT rules( ECC/DEC/(04)08 ), see summary[1]:

5 GHz current rules are too much liberal and incomplete:

country RS:
	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
	(5470 - 5725 @ 20), (3, 1000 mW), DFS
	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
	(57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (N/A, 40), NO-OUTDOOR

They should be changed to "standard" ETSI rules:
	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
	(5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
	(5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
	(57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (N/A, 40), NO-OUTDOOR

http://www.erodocdb.dk/doks/implement_doc_adm.aspx?docid=2033
http://www.erodocdb.dk/doks/implement_adm_doc.aspx?ITUID=48&ITUSHORT=RS&ITULONG=Serbia

Contact point for implementation status:
Ms Jelena Surculija <jelena.surculija@mtid.gov.rs>
Dr Milan Jankovic <milan.jankovic@ratel.org.rs>


[1] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/wireless-regdb/2012-June/000058.html

Re: [wireless-regdb] wireless-regdb: Update regulatory rules for Serbia (RS) on 2.4 and 5GHz

[Xose Vazquez Perez]

On 02/13/2013 11:44 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:

> Serbia is under ETSI/CEPT rules( ECC/DEC/(04)08 ), see summary[1]:
> 
> 5 GHz current rules are too much liberal and incomplete:
> 
> country RS:
> 	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> 	(5150 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
> 	(5470 - 5725 @ 20), (3, 1000 mW), DFS
> 	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
> 	(57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (N/A, 40), NO-OUTDOOR

> They should be changed to "standard" ETSI rules:
> 	(2400 - 2483.5 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW)
> 	(5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR
> 	(5250 - 5350 @ 40), (N/A, 100 mW), NO-OUTDOOR, DFS
> 	(5470 - 5725 @ 40), (N/A, 500 mW), DFS
> 	# 60 gHz band channels 1-4, ref: Etsi En 302 567
> 	(57240 - 65880 @ 2160), (N/A, 40), NO-OUTDOOR

sorry,

5150-5250 should be 200 mW:
 	(5150 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 200 mW), NO-OUTDOOR

<http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/ECCDEC0408.PDF>

2. that in the frequency band 5.150-5.350 MHz, WAS/RLANs stations
shall be restricted to indoor use with a maximum mean e.i.r.p. of
200 mW and a maximum mean e.i.r.p. density of 10 mW/MHz in any 1MHz
band;