(Intel Wireless 7260) + 5G + AP mode

(Intel Wireless 7260) + 5G + AP mode

[Efill]

>> >> I’m trying to get the 7260 to act as an AP on the 5G band. Unfortunately it seems to be impossible due to the „no IR“ reg domain restriction done by the Intel firmware internally (this is what I’ve googled so far..).
>> >>
>> >> Could someone explain to me the technical background of this. As far as I understood the regulation if DFS and TPC are used, most of the 5G channels are allowed. Did I miss something? What’s the point of restricting the IR then?
> >
> > This is not true world wide. With the devices currently available, you
> > can't have IR in 5GHz.
> >

Even so I don't want to teach you wrong, a quick look at wikipedia reveals a slightly different view on this: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.2Fac.29.5B17.5D

I mean that's exactly what's the linux kernel reg domain stuff ( http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/processing_rules ) is meant to manage, isn't it?


> 
> Let me clarify, with *Intel* devices currently available, you will not
> be able to have IR in 5GHz.
 
That's the reason I wrote the mail in the first place. I wasn't able to use AP mode at 5G. Wich I found out by myself and didn't read somewhere e.g. at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi . If it's that clear and obvious, why not state it there? I would have saved me 50 Euros and some hours...

Just a feeling, but I guess asking something like "Why?" wouldn't help me in understanding, right? This is just some marketing decision at Intel (don't support 5G AP mode in consumer WiFi cards) developers have to follow.


> >>
> >> And finally: Is there a way to get it work? Some other PCI-E chip? ath10k?
 
Does anyone have a working setup for 5G AP mode with linux using a (m)PCI(-e) card? Or are there only SoCs available for this job? 

Thanks,
Efill

Re: (Intel Wireless 7260) + 5G + AP mode

[Arend van Spriel]

On 10-11-14 22:31, Efill wrote:
>>>>> I’m trying to get the 7260 to act as an AP on the 5G band. Unfortunately it seems to be impossible due to the „no IR“ reg domain restriction done by the Intel firmware internally (this is what I’ve googled so far..).
>>>>>
>>>>> Could someone explain to me the technical background of this. As far as I understood the regulation if DFS and TPC are used, most of the 5G channels are allowed. Did I miss something? What’s the point of restricting the IR then?
>>>
>>> This is not true world wide. With the devices currently available, you
>>> can't have IR in 5GHz.
>>>
> 
> Even so I don't want to teach you wrong, a quick look at wikipedia reveals a slightly different view on this: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.2Fac.29.5B17.5D
> 
> I mean that's exactly what's the linux kernel reg domain stuff ( http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/processing_rules ) is meant to manage, isn't it?
> 
> 
>>
>> Let me clarify, with *Intel* devices currently available, you will not
>> be able to have IR in 5GHz.
>  
> That's the reason I wrote the mail in the first place. I wasn't able to use AP mode at 5G. Wich I found out by myself and didn't read somewhere e.g. at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi . If it's that clear and obvious, why not state it there? I would have saved me 50 Euros and some hours...
> 
> Just a feeling, but I guess asking something like "Why?" wouldn't help me in understanding, right? This is just some marketing decision at Intel (don't support 5G AP mode in consumer WiFi cards) developers have to follow.
> 
> 
>>>>
>>>> And finally: Is there a way to get it work? Some other PCI-E chip? ath10k?
>  
> Does anyone have a working setup for 5G AP mode with linux using a (m)PCI(-e) card? Or are there only SoCs available for this job? 

Well, I have although I would have no idea where you could buy it. As
you may guess it is a Broadcom device and comes with my job.

Regards,
Arend

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Re: (Intel Wireless 7260) + 5G + AP mode

[Arend van Spriel]

On 11-11-14 11:54, Efill wrote:
>  >>>>>> I’m trying to get the 7260 to act as an AP on the 5G band. Unfortunately 
> it seems to be impossible due to the „no IR“ reg domain restriction done by the 
> Intel >firmware internally (this is what I’ve googled so far..).
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> Could someone explain to me the technical background of this. As far as 
> I understood the regulation if DFS and TPC are used, most of the 5G channels are 
> allowed. >Did I miss something? What’s the point of restricting the IR then?
>  >>>>
>  >>>> This is not true world wide. With the devices currently available, you
>  >>>> can't have IR in 5GHz.
>  >>>>
>  >>
>  >> Even so I don't want to teach you wrong, a quick look at wikipedia reveals a 
> slightly different view on this:
>  >> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.2Fac.29.5B17.5D 
> 
>  >>
>  >> I mean that's exactly what's the linux kernel reg domain stuff ( 
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/processing_rules ) is meant 
> to manage, isn't it?
>  >>
>  >>> Let me clarify, with *Intel* devices currently available, you will not
>  >>> be able to have IR in 5GHz.
>  >>
>  >> That's the reason I wrote the mail in the first place. I wasn't able to use 
> AP mode at 5G. Wich I found out by myself and didn't read somewhere e.g. at 
> http://>wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi . If it's that clear and 
> obvious, why not state it there? I would have saved me 50 Euros and some hours...
>  >>
>  >> Just a feeling, but I guess asking something like "Why?" wouldn't help me in 
> understanding, right? This is just some marketing decision at Intel (don't 
> support 5G AP >mode in consumer WiFi cards) developers have to follow.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> And finally: Is there a way to get it work? Some other PCI-E chip? ath10k?
>  >>
>  >> Does anyone have a working setup for 5G AP mode with linux using a 
> (m)PCI(-e) card? Or are there only SoCs available for this job?
>  >
>  > Well, I have although I would have no idea where you could buy it. As
>  > you may guess it is a Broadcom device and comes with my job.
> 
> Dear Arend,
> 
> thanks for acknowledging that at least it's possible ;-) Do you mind releasing 
> slightly more information on this? Which chip, connectivity, packaging etc. I've 
> tried the Broadcom BCM4360 but had to learn that this one is lacking AP mode 
> completely...

Currently, I am using BCM4354 and BCM43602. The BCM4360 is a softmac
device and the Broadcom wl driver might indeed lack AP support.

Regards,
Arend

> Another question: Did someone had luck getting an Atheros QCA9880 V2 to work as 
> an 802.11ac 5G AP?
> 
> 
> Best,
> Efill
> 
>