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From: Kalle Valo <kalle.valo@iki.fi>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>, "Guy\,
	Wey-Yi W" <wey-yi.w.guy@intel.com>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
	Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>, Jouni Malinen <j@w1.fi>
Subject: Re: wireless powersaving (in NM?)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:19:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iqlw4rx7.fsf@litku.valot.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43e72e890903260100w75896d0fi9121f227cc7ca8dc@mail.gmail.com> (Luis R. Rodriguez's message of "Thu\, 26 Mar 2009 01\:00\:31 -0700")

"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Johannes Berg
> <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 11:31 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, sounds OK. =A0Just to be clear, problems with this code will =
appear
>>> on a *per-AP* basis, not a per-card basis, right? =A0ie there are s=
ome
>>> stupid APs that won't work with it, but it won't be the case that a
>>> chipset will be broken for all APs, right?
>>
>> Right. If a particular chipset doesn't properly supported PS then we
>> shouldn't actually support it at all -- but we cannot know if the AP=
 is
>> broken.
>
> How about leaving it to the supplicant to guess if the AP is borked o=
r not.

Very difficult and not worth the trouble IMHO.

> Kalle, what would happen with these broken APs?

Usually there's packet loss and for the user it shows as data
connections not working reliably.

> If we can determine this through some heuristics then we can label
> such BSSes as borked in the supplicant and then the user won't have t=
o
> worry about this. This would only be dealt with each BSS once at most
> as we would have saved the AP's power save borkedness after our first
> determination of this.
>
> If one wants to do manual debugging you can simple add the flag
> through the supplicant for the bss. Just don't see the need to confus=
e
> a user with an option if we can get away with figuring it out if
> possible.

If the ui option to disable power is disliked, just hide it somewhere.
=46or example, a gconf flag which can be enabled with a command line
tool.

--=20
Kalle Valo
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-26  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-24 10:39 wireless powersaving (in NM?) Johannes Berg
2009-03-24 10:32 ` Marcel Holtmann
2009-03-25 10:45   ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-24 13:47 ` John W. Linville
2009-03-24 13:53 ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-24 14:47   ` Guy, Wey-Yi W
2009-03-24 15:03     ` Kalle Valo
2009-03-24 14:17 ` Kalle Valo
2009-03-25 10:57   ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-25 19:53     ` Kalle Valo
2009-03-25 20:06       ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-25 20:09         ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-25 20:22         ` Kalle Valo
2009-03-24 15:59 ` Dan Williams
2009-03-25 11:04   ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-25 15:31     ` Dan Williams
2009-03-25 15:48       ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-26  8:00         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2009-03-26  8:11           ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-26  8:39             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2009-03-26  8:54               ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-26  9:01                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2009-03-26 14:29                   ` Georgy Berdyshev
2009-03-26  8:19           ` Kalle Valo [this message]
2009-03-26  8:40             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2009-03-31 16:28 ` Johannes Berg
2009-04-01 11:04 ` more thoughts on power saving (was: wireless powersaving (in NM?)) Johannes Berg
2009-04-01 11:12   ` Kalle Valo
2009-04-01 14:29     ` Guy, Wey-Yi W

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